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On Feb 25 2002 John Carmack started a thread by this name. Google
won't let me reply to that thread so I am starting another by the same name. John Carmack: It seems to me like it is possible to put something into a 200km (or whatever) circular orbit with a simple unguided, spin-stabilized second stage, even when launched from an straight up/straight down booster with a 100km apogee. The idea would be that the X-Prize vehicle would have the passenger cabin replaced with a fairing over a 300kg, non-streamlined second stage mounted on a platform that could spin up and precisely aim it (nearly horizontally) before firing it while the booster still has significant upwards velocity. The complex stuff comes back down to be reused, and the second stage is basically a piece of ammunition. This is an interesting and fun problem, so I played with it a bit in my simulator. With a high G spin stabilized rocket I can get an orbit with a 90 km perigee. Depending on how high the apogee is, the mass, and the drag, this can last for a bit (just over a day in one sample I did). With a small thruster (Hall thruster /ion-drive/arcjet) on the payload it can easily raise the perigee and circularize the orbit. I don't think that with a spin stabilized rocket aimed at one point alone you can get into a 200+km circular orbit starting from a minimal X-prize vehicle (i.e. goes to just over 100 km). If you aim below horizontal by much you just hit too much air. If you aim above then as you start to go around the Earth the angle seems higher and higher relative to your velocity, which is not what you want. It makes it as if your orbit came from inside the atmosphere, and so after you get most of the way around that is where you will be. One trick (from Henry Cate) is that you could have your apogee kick motor in front of the payload aimed the opposite way so that when your spin stabilized vehicle got to the other side of the Earth it would be aimed the right way. I did this in one sample below. If spin stabilizing something can last for 40 minutes this could work. You want high G thrust, so you may need to go to solids. And if you go to solids you probably need 2 stages. But it seems like 2 spin stabilized solids and a small motor aimed backwards, or an electric thruster on your payload, and you could get to a stable orbit from an X-prize vehicle. This could be very cheap, and so seems like good idea. See samples 78 to 81 named "X-prize to orbit ..." in Java applet at: http://spacetethers.com/spacetethers.html -- Vince |
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