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Old January 10th 06, 12:21 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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Hi All
Space Review has had a two part article on using Medium lift to use EOR
to assemble a Lunar or Mars mission. And I was wondering if it was
possible to design the TLI or TMI stage to be made up of multiple
smaller stages that fire and drop off as you go. Instead of trying to
assemble and fuel a large tank with lots of EVA work, how about a
series of smaller stages that just 'simply' dock with each other. I
know we do not have any experience yet with automated docking, but
could we either buy/beg or borrow the tech from the Russians?
Another thought is I have a vague memory of that when the progress
docks with ISS(or MIR) it was able to transfer fuel to the stations
engines for reboost also I even have a vaguer memory that the progress
could tap into the stations tanks and use that fuel for its engines to
reboost the station. Did this connectivity require any EVA's to setup?
or was it part of the docking process? If the later could the multi
stage TLI/TMI be setup where all the tanks interconnect?

If you interested here are the space review articles

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/526/1

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/529/1

Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

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beyond LEO, That is for the establishment of space settlements or a
space based civilization. Everything else are details.

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Space Cadet wrote:

If you interested here are the space review articles


Nobody with any brains at all is interesed in Space Review articles.

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Old January 10th 06, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Lee Elifritz
Space Cadet wrote:

If you interested here are the space review articles


Nobody with any brains at all is interesed in Space Review articles.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
What is more important: to have brain or heart? (sure, you do not have both).
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Rémy MERCIER wrote:

If you interested here are the space review articles

Nobody with any brains at all is interesed in Space Review articles.



What is more important: to have brain or heart? (sure, you do not have
both).



The material is amateurish. Giddyup space cowboys.

Round em up. Head em out. Sittin round the campfire on the moon.

It's just laughable. I'm not about to sit around and let NASA start
throwing away SSMEs and use SRBs to launch ridiculously expensive manned
moon missions - WITHOUT DISSENTING!

Space Review, VSE and ESAS are just complete and utter crap. America is
a ship without a rudder, run by a bunch of corrupt cronies and powerful
corporations with no regard for individual human rights and liberties,
spending money that we don't have, conducting fraudulent wars against
science, decency and non-existant threats, and so incompetant that they
still haven't even captured the real threat, and they have done nothing
about the real threats - asteroids, climate change, hydrocarbon
combustion, take your pick. It will just be an endless cycle of
destruction and rebuilding. America has gone insane, and I won't let it
continue without PROTESTING - and merciless parodying and satirizing.

Civilization, humanity, life on Earth, is in real trouble, and you
aren't really being helpful at all.

We know what the problems are, we want solutions.

We have solutions, we want implementation.

VSE and ESAS are simple not credible.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org


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Old January 12th 06, 11:36 AM
Rémy MERCIER Rémy MERCIER is offline
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Lee Elifritz
Rémy MERCIER wrote:

If you interested here are the space review articles

Nobody with any brains at all is interesed in Space Review articles.



What is more important: to have brain or heart? (sure, you do not have
both).



The material is amateurish. Giddyup space cowboys.

Round em up. Head em out. Sittin round the campfire on the moon.

It's just laughable. I'm not about to sit around and let NASA start
throwing away SSMEs and use SRBs to launch ridiculously expensive manned
moon missions - WITHOUT DISSENTING!

Space Review, VSE and ESAS are just complete and utter crap. America is
a ship without a rudder, run by a bunch of corrupt cronies and powerful
corporations with no regard for individual human rights and liberties,
spending money that we don't have, conducting fraudulent wars against
science, decency and non-existant threats, and so incompetant that they
still haven't even captured the real threat, and they have done nothing
about the real threats - asteroids, climate change, hydrocarbon
combustion, take your pick. It will just be an endless cycle of
destruction and rebuilding. America has gone insane, and I won't let it
continue without PROTESTING - and merciless parodying and satirizing.

Civilization, humanity, life on Earth, is in real trouble, and you
aren't really being helpful at all.

We know what the problems are, we want solutions.

We have solutions, we want implementation.

VSE and ESAS are simple not credible.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
Ok, maybe so (we'll see) but the first step is credible (the stick). And this CLV could be boosted to 30mt. The stick is comparable with Ariane5. No super-heavy launcher is required.
Rémy
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:32 +0000, in a place far, far away, Rémy
MERCIER made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


Thomas Lee Elifritz Wrote:
Space Cadet wrote:

If you interested here are the space review articles

Nobody with any brains at all is interesed in Space Review articles.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org


What is more important: to have brain or heart? (sure, you do not have
both).


There's little evidence that it has either.
 




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