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![]() David E. Steitz Headquarters, Washington (Phone: 202/358-1730) July 21, 2003 Alan Buis Margaret Baguio JPL Pasadena, Calif. Univ. of Texas (UT), Austin (Phone: 818/354-0474) (Phone: 512/471-6922) Vanadis Weber Franz Ossing German Aerospace Center GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam (Phone: 49 (0) 2203/601-3068) Phone: 49 (331) 288-1040) RELEASE: 03-244 OCEANOGRAPHERS CATCH FIRST WAVE OF GRAVITY MISSION'S SUCCESS The joint NASA-German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace) mission has released its first science product, the most accurate map yet of Earth's gravity field. Grace is the newest tool for scientists working to unlock secrets of ocean circulation and its effects on climate. Created from 111 days of selected Grace data, to help calibrate and validate the mission's instruments, this preliminary model improves knowledge of the gravity field so much it is being released to oceanographers now, months in advance of the scheduled start of routine Grace science operations. The data are expected to significantly improve our ability to understand ocean circulation, which strongly influences weather and climate. Dr. Byron Tapley, Grace principal investigator at UT's Center for Space Research, called the new model a feast for oceanographers. "This initial model represents a major advancement in our knowledge of Earth's gravity field. "Pre- Grace models contained such large errors many important features were obscured. Grace brings the true state of the oceans into much sharper focus, so we can better see ocean phenomena that have a strong impact on atmospheric weather patterns, fisheries and global climate change." Grace is accomplishing that goal by providing a more precise definition of Earth's geoid, an imaginary surface defined only by Earth's gravity field, upon which Earth's ocean surfaces would lie if not disturbed by other forces such as ocean currents, winds and tides. The geoid height varies around the world by up to 200 meters (650 feet). "I like to think of the geoid as science's equivalent of a carpenter's level, it tells us where horizontal is," Tapley said. "Grace will tell us the geoid with centimeter-level precision." So why is knowing the geoid height so important? JPL's Dr. Lee-Lueng Fu, scientist on Topex/Poseidon and Jason project said, "The ocean's surface, while appearing flat, is actually covered with hills and valleys caused by currents, winds and tides, and also by variations in Earth's gravity field. "Scientists want to separate out these gravitational effects, so they can improve the accuracy of satellite altimeters like Jason and Topex/Poseidon, which measure sea surface height, ocean heat storage and global ocean circulation. This will give us a better understanding of ocean circulation and how it affects climate." Dr. Michael Watkins, Grace project scientist at JPL, put improvements to Earth's gravity model into perspective. "Scientists have studied Earth's gravity for more than 30 years, using both satellite and ground measurements that were of uneven quality. "Using just a few months of our globally uniform quality Grace data, we've already improved the accuracy of Earth's gravity model by a factor of between 10 and nearly 100, depending on the size of the gravity feature. In some locations, errors in geoid height based upon previous data were as much as 1 meter (3.3 feet). Now, we can reduce these errors to a centimeter (0.4 inches) in some instances. That's progress." Dr. Christoph Reigber, Grace co-principal investigator at GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam, said, "As we continue to assess and refine Grace's instruments and subsystems, we're confident future monthly gravity solutions will be even better than the map we're releasing now. "Those solutions will allow us to investigate processes associated with slow redistribution of mass inside Earth and on its land, ocean and ice surfaces. Our initial attempts to identify such small gravity signals with Grace look very promising." Grace senses minute variations in gravitational pull from local changes in Earth's mass by precisely measuring, to a tenth of the width of a human hair, changes in the separation of two identical spacecraft following the same orbit approximately 220 kilometers (137 miles) apart. Grace will map the variations from month to month, following changes imposed by the seasons, weather patterns and short-term climate change. Grace is a joint partnership between NASA and the German Aerospace Center. The UT Center for Space Research has overall mission responsibility. GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam is responsible for German mission elements. Science data processing, distribution, archiving and product verification are managed under a cooperative arrangement between JPL, UT, and GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam. For more information, visit: http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace or http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/grace Model images are at: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA04652 and http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace and http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/grace -end- |
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Does the gravity force only work unidirectional (towards the center of the earth) or can outside forces (like the moon or the redistribution of ice/water masses) also alter the distribution of mass inside the earth ? Are there any known effects of the variations of earth distance from the sun on the distribution of mass inside the earth? We all know about the "bulge" ocean water suffers from these forces, I've also read that moon vulcanism is caused by these grav tides. Any known effects like this on earth? Thanks for your feedback Morenga David E. Steitz Headquarters, Washington (Phone: 202/358-1730) July 21, 2003 Alan Buis Margaret Baguio JPL Pasadena, Calif. Univ. of Texas (UT), Austin (Phone: 818/354-0474) (Phone: 512/471-6922) Vanadis Weber Franz Ossing German Aerospace Center GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam (Phone: 49 (0) 2203/601-3068) Phone: 49 (331) 288-1040) RELEASE: 03-244 OCEANOGRAPHERS CATCH FIRST WAVE OF GRAVITY MISSION'S SUCCESS The joint NASA-German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace) mission has released its first science product, the most accurate map yet of Earth's gravity field. Grace is the newest tool for scientists working to unlock secrets of ocean circulation and its effects on climate. Created from 111 days of selected Grace data, to help calibrate and validate the mission's instruments, this preliminary model improves knowledge of the gravity field so much it is being released to oceanographers now, months in advance of the scheduled start of routine Grace science operations. The data are expected to significantly improve our ability to understand ocean circulation, which strongly influences weather and climate. Dr. Byron Tapley, Grace principal investigator at UT's Center for Space Research, called the new model a feast for oceanographers. "This initial model represents a major advancement in our knowledge of Earth's gravity field. "Pre- Grace models contained such large errors many important features were obscured. Grace brings the true state of the oceans into much sharper focus, so we can better see ocean phenomena that have a strong impact on atmospheric weather patterns, fisheries and global climate change." Grace is accomplishing that goal by providing a more precise definition of Earth's geoid, an imaginary surface defined only by Earth's gravity field, upon which Earth's ocean surfaces would lie if not disturbed by other forces such as ocean currents, winds and tides. The geoid height varies around the world by up to 200 meters (650 feet). "I like to think of the geoid as science's equivalent of a carpenter's level, it tells us where horizontal is," Tapley said. "Grace will tell us the geoid with centimeter-level precision." So why is knowing the geoid height so important? JPL's Dr. Lee-Lueng Fu, scientist on Topex/Poseidon and Jason project said, "The ocean's surface, while appearing flat, is actually covered with hills and valleys caused by currents, winds and tides, and also by variations in Earth's gravity field. "Scientists want to separate out these gravitational effects, so they can improve the accuracy of satellite altimeters like Jason and Topex/Poseidon, which measure sea surface height, ocean heat storage and global ocean circulation. This will give us a better understanding of ocean circulation and how it affects climate." Dr. Michael Watkins, Grace project scientist at JPL, put improvements to Earth's gravity model into perspective. "Scientists have studied Earth's gravity for more than 30 years, using both satellite and ground measurements that were of uneven quality. "Using just a few months of our globally uniform quality Grace data, we've already improved the accuracy of Earth's gravity model by a factor of between 10 and nearly 100, depending on the size of the gravity feature. In some locations, errors in geoid height based upon previous data were as much as 1 meter (3.3 feet). Now, we can reduce these errors to a centimeter (0.4 inches) in some instances. That's progress." Dr. Christoph Reigber, Grace co-principal investigator at GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam, said, "As we continue to assess and refine Grace's instruments and subsystems, we're confident future monthly gravity solutions will be even better than the map we're releasing now. "Those solutions will allow us to investigate processes associated with slow redistribution of mass inside Earth and on its land, ocean and ice surfaces. Our initial attempts to identify such small gravity signals with Grace look very promising." Grace senses minute variations in gravitational pull from local changes in Earth's mass by precisely measuring, to a tenth of the width of a human hair, changes in the separation of two identical spacecraft following the same orbit approximately 220 kilometers (137 miles) apart. Grace will map the variations from month to month, following changes imposed by the seasons, weather patterns and short-term climate change. Grace is a joint partnership between NASA and the German Aerospace Center. The UT Center for Space Research has overall mission responsibility. GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam is responsible for German mission elements. Science data processing, distribution, archiving and product verification are managed under a cooperative arrangement between JPL, UT, and GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam. For more information, visit: http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace or http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/grace Model images are at: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA04652 and http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace and http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/grace -end- |
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Morenga wrote: Does the gravity force only work unidirectional (towards the center of the earth)... Earth's gravity is not directed *precisely* toward its center, because of complications like its equatorial bulge. But that's not quite what you really wanted to ask... or can outside forces (like the moon or the redistribution of ice/water masses) also alter the distribution of mass inside the earth ? Only very, very slightly. There are tides in the solid Earth as well as in its oceans, because on a planetary scale there is no such thing as a rigid material. But they are quite small, and their effect on Earth's mass distribution is minute. Similarly, redistribution of water (and air) changes Earth's mass distribution enough to be detectable, but in absolute terms the effect is extremely small. Are there any known effects of the variations of earth distance from the sun on the distribution of mass inside the earth? Solar tides are a bit stronger when the Earth is closer, but otherwise no. also read that moon vulcanism is caused by these grav tides. There is no known vulcanism on the Moon today. Except for meteorite impacts, the Moon appears to have been a very quiet place, geologically speaking, for the last couple of billion years. -- MOST launched 1015 EDT 30 June, separated 1046, | Henry Spencer first ground-station pass 1651, all nominal! | |
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Does the gravity force only work unidirectional (towards the center of the earth) No. The gravitational acceleration at any point in space is (in some vague) sense the "sum" of the gravitational accelrations produced by every object in the visible universe, and there is no reason why it should always point "inward." (In fact, for bodies inside their Roche's limit, there are points where the net gravitational acceleration is "outward," which is why such bodies may fall apart if the tidal forces exceed that body's tensile strength.) or can outside forces (like the moon or the redistribution of ice/water masses) also alter the distribution of mass inside the earth ? Yes. We have a name for the re-distribution of matter caused by this "force:" it is called "the lunar-induced tide." Are there any known effects of the variations of earth distance from the sun on the distribution of mass inside the earth? Yes. It is called "the solar-induced tide." We all know about the "bulge" ocean water suffers from these forces, I've also read that moon vulcanism is caused by these grav tides. There is _no_ reliable evidence that volcanism has occurred on the Moon in aeons. There is evidence for occasional lava upwellings after asteroid impacts, but that is not the same as volcanism. Any known effects like this on earth? The tidal deformation of the body of the Earth is called an "earth tide," just as the tidal deformation of the ocean is called an "ocean tide." -- Gordon D. Pusch perl -e '$_ = \n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;' |
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![]() or can outside forces (like the moon or the redistribution of ice/water masses) also alter the distribution of mass inside the earth ? Only very, very slightly. But I read that even magma streams beneath the earth's crust are affected by this. Similarly, redistribution of water (and air) changes Earth's mass distribution enough to be detectable, but in absolute terms the effect is extremely small. Then why is it that affect the mass of the moon has is big enough to force the earth's rotatational center away from its gravitational center? Shouldn't that affect the streams of matter distribution inside a liquid body such as the inner earth? Solar tides are a bit stronger when the Earth is closer, but otherwise no. also read that moon vulcanism is caused by these grav tides. There is no known vulcanism on the Moon today. But I did read on multiple occassions about eruptions of hot gases having been monitored on the moon. Those gases where traced back to pockets of hot rock having been heated up by grav tidal forces. I actually have it detailed in a German atronomical journal. Regards Morenga |
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(In fact, for bodies inside their Roche's limit, there are points
where the net gravitational acceleration is "outward," which is why such bodies may fall apart if the tidal forces exceed that body's tensile strength.) Now one thing that always fascinated me about this Roche limit is the question of what would happen if two bodies of exactly equal mass would cross each other's "Roche limit". I mean is the Roche limit different for each pairing or is it a total boundary, similar to the "event horizon" of a black hole? But the bottom line of my questions was actually on wether such a gravitational map as that one produced by Grace would even make sense, given that all these factors constantly change the earth's grav appearance. Wouldn't they have to keep updating that mapp all the time? There is _no_ reliable evidence that volcanism has occurred on the Moon in aeons. There is evidence for occasional lava upwellings after asteroid impacts, but that is not the same as volcanism. Well I read of hot gas erruptions and even moon quaked having been measured w/o any meteorite impacts. An they said these where caused by grav tides from the earth' influence on the moon. The tidal deformation of the body of the Earth is called an "earth tide," just as the tidal deformation of the ocean is called an "ocean tide." Now wouldn't all these grav tides suffice to destract the streams of matter flowing inside the body liquid of the inner earth? Regards Morenga |
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in news:sci.space.science, Morenga posted at Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:57:59 :- (In fact, for bodies inside their Roche's limit, there are points where the net gravitational acceleration is "outward," which is why such bodies may fall apart if the tidal forces exceed that body's tensile strength.) Now one thing that always fascinated me about this Roche limit is the question of what would happen if two bodies of exactly equal mass would cross each other's "Roche limit". You must also consider the relative densities - see my gravity3.htm. Only if the equal masses have equal densities will they enter each other's Roche Limits simultaneously. The arithmetic will be different, since the closer parts of each body will be significantly nearer than the centres of gravity. Each body will be affected by the tide of everything else; the effect of Body A on Body B will not immediately be much affected by part of the surface of A becoming detached. The calculation for fluid bodies will be much worse than in the small- orbiter case; and that looked hard enough in Roche's paper. But I expect that brute force computation can give a result nowadays. -- © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v4.00 MIME. © Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links; some Astro stuff via astro.htm, gravity0.htm; quotes.htm; pascal.htm; &c, &c. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. |
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![]() You must also consider the relative densities - see my gravity3.htm. URL for that one? Only if the equal masses have equal densities will they enter each other's Roche Limits simultaneously. Do black holes have Roche limits? What if two black holes of equal mass approach each other? Could they rip each other appart? And how so as nothing is supposedly allowed to leave the "event horizon" once it enters. Each body will be affected by the tide of everything else; the effect of Body A on Body B will not immediately be much affected by part of the surface of A becoming detached. The calculation for fluid bodies will be much worse than in the small- orbiter case; and that looked hard enough in Roche's paper. But I expect that brute force computation can give a result nowadays. How does the grav field look like if two fluid bodies (like gas giants) would approach each other? I mean they would not tear each other appart but rather "flow" towards each other, right? Maybe even forming a 3rd body at their new unified center of gravity? Also is there a computer (PD) program for multiple stellar body grav simulations? Greetings Morenga |
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You must also consider the relative densities - see my gravity3.htm.
URL for that one? Only if the equal masses have equal densities will they enter each other's Roche Limits simultaneously. Do black holes have Roche limits? What if two black holes of equal mass approach each other? Could they rip each other appart? And how so as nothing is supposedly allowed to leave the "event horizon" once it enters. Each body will be affected by the tide of everything else; the effect of Body A on Body B will not immediately be much affected by part of the surface of A becoming detached. The calculation for fluid bodies will be much worse than in the small- orbiter case; and that looked hard enough in Roche's paper. But I expect that brute force computation can give a result nowadays. How does the grav field look like if two fluid bodies (like gas giants) would approach each other? I mean they would not tear each other appart but rather "flow" towards each other, right? Maybe even forming a 3rd body at their new unified center of gravity? Also is there a computer (PD) program for multiple stellar body grav simulations? Greetings Morenga |
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JRS: In article , seen
in news:sci.space.science, Morenga posted at Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:08:46 :- You must also consider the relative densities - see my gravity3.htm. URL for that one? If you cannot readily locate the page from the information provided, then ... -- © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v4.00 MIME. © Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links; some Astro stuff via astro.htm, gravity0.htm; quotes.htm; pascal.htm; &c, &c. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. |
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