Bush, Hurricanes and Global Warming

Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations. Most people seem oblivious to global
warming; we all drive bigger cars, use more fuel, and consume more
energy. Our high consumption habits are responsible for the victims
directly affected by global warming, be they starving Africans,
suffering from famine, or those who are flooded from their homes. The
Kyoto Protocol Partnership (www.kpp.org.uk) campaigns to make people
more aware of their energy consumption and their impact on global
warming. We encourage individuals and companies to reduce CO2 emissions
to meet the targets set by the Kyoto Protocol. No point blaming
politicians or someone else for global warming, we are all responsible
as custodians for the planet, so let's all take care to reduce energy
consumption, reduce waste, so that our children and grandchildren get
left some resources to enjoy.

KPP wrote:
Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures at noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with
the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic
and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into
consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml

- A. McIntire

"
Climate Change & Global Warming
Hurricanes and Global Warming
September 12, 2005

H=2E Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.


In the wake of Katrina, the world scarcely needs reminding that it's
that time of year again: Hurricane season in the Atlantic Basin.
It's no wonder that from June to November, every storm that forms in
the Atlantic Ocean makes hearts race a little bit faster for people
living in states along East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. When the naming
of a storm leads to shortages of bottled water, basic foodstuffs,
plywood and nails as people stock up on materials to batten down their
homes and ride out the coming storm.

For the past decade, hurricane season has also meant the appearance of
environmental alarmists pronouncing to anyone who will listen that
increasingly frequent and dangerous hurricanes are a direct result of
human caused global warming. During 2004's extremely busy hurricane
season, Kevin Trenberth, an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) scientist, held a press conference at Harvard University at
which he and others linked the outbreaks of intense hurricane activity
to global warming. As the severity of Katrina was becoming apparent,
environmental activist, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. attributed the hurricane
to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's opposition to the Kyoto
Protocol.

There is just one problem: hurricane physics, historic data and
ongoing hurricane research indicate that there is scant evidence
linking human caused warming and more frequent or more powerful
hurricanes.

Concerning physics, temperatures are an important factor in hurricane
formation and strength. Hurricanes are heat engines with their
severity being driven in part by the differences in temperature between
the heat source and the heat sink -- the smaller the difference, the
less severe the storm season. While global warming is likely to cause
the oceans to warm modestly in the coming century, air temperatures
nearest the equator, where hurricanes form, will see little or no
increase. While the reduced differential between the air and water
temperatures alone is likely to be too small to result in fewer or less
powerful hurricanes, it works against more hurricanes of greater
intensity forming.

At the 27th annual National Hurricane conference, University of
Colorado atmospheric scientist, Dr. William Gray explained that nature,
in the form of periodically changing ocean circulation patterns, not
humans, is responsible hurricane cycles including the cycle of
increasing hurricane activity that the world is currently experiencing.
According to Gray, the number of Atlantic Hurricanes during the last
decade, including 2004's above average season, is part of a
completely natural, not at all unusual, multi-decadal cycle that
scientists have monitored for more than 100 years. For approximately
the past 25 years, the U.S. has experienced a relative lull in
hurricane activity. Unfortunately for those living near the coasts, we
recently began to come out of that cycle and into an active cycle like
those experienced from approximately 1930 through 1950. Indeed, in the
1940's 23 hurricanes, eight of them category 3 or higher, hit the U.S.
mainland.

A paper to be published in the upcoming issue of the Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, Hurricanes and Global Warming, by six
noted tropical cyclone experts, makes three main points. First, that
no connection has been established between greenhouse gas emissions and
the observed behavior of hurricanes. Second, that the scientific
consensus is that any future changes in hurricane intensities will
likely be small the context of observed natural variability. Third,
the zeal by some for political reasons to link future hurricanes to
global warming, threatens both to undermine support for legitimate
climate research and to lead to the implementation of policies that
will be ineffective in mitigating hurricane impacts.

Problems stemming from the politicization of global warming have
already arisen. In a publicly released "Dear Colleague" letter in
January of 2005, Chris Landsea, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, resigned as an IPCC researcher. His resignation letter
stated that he felt that in his area of expertise, climate and
hurricanes, the IPCC had become too politicized. In particular he
cited the Harvard press conference at which Kevin Trenberth linked the
severity of the 2004 hurricane season to global warming. Landsea noted
that none of the speakers at the Harvard conference cited any new
research in the field to support their claims. He went on to point out
that "...the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most
recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global
warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small."

Hurricanes are a natural phenomena that are costly and, all too often,
deadly. With respect to hurricanes people have enough to fear without
spreading scare stories that global warming will cause super storms
with apocalyptic results for those living on or near the coasts.
Global warming alarmists should be ashamed of themselves for playing on
people's fears to promote their cause.

nightbat wrote

KPP wrote:

Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations. Most people seem oblivious to global
warming; we all drive bigger cars, use more fuel, and consume more
energy. Our high consumption habits are responsible for the victims
directly affected by global warming, be they starving Africans,
suffering from famine, or those who are flooded from their homes. The
Kyoto Protocol Partnership (www.kpp.org.uk) campaigns to make people
more aware of their energy consumption and their impact on global
warming. We encourage individuals and companies to reduce CO2 emissions
to meet the targets set by the Kyoto Protocol. No point blaming
politicians or someone else for global warming, we are all responsible
as custodians for the planet, so let's all take care to reduce energy
consumption, reduce waste, so that our children and grandchildren get
left some resources to enjoy.


nightbat

The problem of heat engines has been known since the discovery
of the steam and petrol fuel engines. Of course population was a lot
smaller back then as compared to now but the premise remains the same,
they produce a lot of wasted heat. Dr. Tesla publicly addressed this
profound problem and advocated the use of clean non polluting electric
motors versus steam and gas engines to avoid the foreseeable eco
atmosphere long term possible negative effects. To date the corporate
organized oil men refuse to face this issue because of the long 100
year+ old cheap cost of oil high profit derived fuel versus researched
alternate energy sources. When the 100 year old Middle East oil fixed
cost signed contract leases ran out the problem reemerged as how do we
now pay for the increasing demand for oil dependent World economy? The
solution is simple per Dr Tesla's profound warning, go electric or
suffer the consequences. He also publicly informed the person who solves
the Tesla final factor for energy electric renewable power will be the
greatest genius of all time. He profoundly completed three quarters of
it but remaining elusive quarter escaped him, until the nightbat. Human
demand for more power isn't the problem it's an increasing World
population necessity, and actually, the limited oil reserves fuel
dependent heat engines are. The Captain and elite Earth Science Team are
here and the choice is yours like its always been, more clean unlimited
power via products using electric motors versus steam and oil fueled
petrol heat engines, you make the choice but remember oil reserves are
limited and we only have one evidenced life bearing planet. And the
great clean electric thing is we can still have oil burning engines once
you have energy renewable means to make more economical renewable oil
plus enough unlimited power to clean up the atmosphere and environment.

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote

wrote:

KPP wrote:
Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures at noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with
the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic
and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into
consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml

- A. McIntire

"
Climate Change & Global Warming
Hurricanes and Global Warming
September 12, 2005

H=2E Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.

In the wake of Katrina, the world scarcely needs reminding that it's
that time of year again: Hurricane season in the Atlantic Basin.
It's no wonder that from June to November, every storm that forms in
the Atlantic Ocean makes hearts race a little bit faster for people
living in states along East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. When the naming
of a storm leads to shortages of bottled water, basic foodstuffs,
plywood and nails as people stock up on materials to batten down their
homes and ride out the coming storm.

For the past decade, hurricane season has also meant the appearance of
environmental alarmists pronouncing to anyone who will listen that
increasingly frequent and dangerous hurricanes are a direct result of
human caused global warming. During 2004's extremely busy hurricane
season, Kevin Trenberth, an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) scientist, held a press conference at Harvard University at
which he and others linked the outbreaks of intense hurricane activity
to global warming. As the severity of Katrina was becoming apparent,
environmental activist, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. attributed the hurricane
to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's opposition to the Kyoto
Protocol.

There is just one problem: hurricane physics, historic data and
ongoing hurricane research indicate that there is scant evidence
linking human caused warming and more frequent or more powerful
hurricanes.

Concerning physics, temperatures are an important factor in hurricane
formation and strength. Hurricanes are heat engines with their
severity being driven in part by the differences in temperature between
the heat source and the heat sink -- the smaller the difference, the
less severe the storm season. While global warming is likely to cause
the oceans to warm modestly in the coming century, air temperatures
nearest the equator, where hurricanes form, will see little or no
increase. While the reduced differential between the air and water
temperatures alone is likely to be too small to result in fewer or less
powerful hurricanes, it works against more hurricanes of greater
intensity forming.

At the 27th annual National Hurricane conference, University of
Colorado atmospheric scientist, Dr. William Gray explained that nature,
in the form of periodically changing ocean circulation patterns, not
humans, is responsible hurricane cycles including the cycle of
increasing hurricane activity that the world is currently experiencing.
According to Gray, the number of Atlantic Hurricanes during the last
decade, including 2004's above average season, is part of a
completely natural, not at all unusual, multi-decadal cycle that
scientists have monitored for more than 100 years. For approximately
the past 25 years, the U.S. has experienced a relative lull in
hurricane activity. Unfortunately for those living near the coasts, we
recently began to come out of that cycle and into an active cycle like
those experienced from approximately 1930 through 1950. Indeed, in the
1940's 23 hurricanes, eight of them category 3 or higher, hit the U.S.
mainland.

A paper to be published in the upcoming issue of the Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, Hurricanes and Global Warming, by six
noted tropical cyclone experts, makes three main points. First, that
no connection has been established between greenhouse gas emissions and
the observed behavior of hurricanes. Second, that the scientific
consensus is that any future changes in hurricane intensities will
likely be small the context of observed natural variability. Third,
the zeal by some for political reasons to link future hurricanes to
global warming, threatens both to undermine support for legitimate
climate research and to lead to the implementation of policies that
will be ineffective in mitigating hurricane impacts.

Problems stemming from the politicization of global warming have
already arisen. In a publicly released "Dear Colleague" letter in
January of 2005, Chris Landsea, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, resigned as an IPCC researcher. His resignation letter
stated that he felt that in his area of expertise, climate and
hurricanes, the IPCC had become too politicized. In particular he
cited the Harvard press conference at which Kevin Trenberth linked the
severity of the 2004 hurricane season to global warming. Landsea noted
that none of the speakers at the Harvard conference cited any new
research in the field to support their claims. He went on to point out
that "...the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most
recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global
warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small."

Hurricanes are a natural phenomena that are costly and, all too often,
deadly. With respect to hurricanes people have enough to fear without
spreading scare stories that global warming will cause super storms
with apocalyptic results for those living on or near the coasts.
Global warming alarmists should be ashamed of themselves for playing on
people's fears to promote their cause.

nightbat

The evidenced effects of the most powerful occurring multi canes
is proof enough of atmospheric and sea heat absorbed energy fueled
events. Additionally experienced hurricane Officer Bert's and other Team
Officers iterations of noted weather pointing and evidentiary sea
heating melting pole glaciers is affirming of rising potential sea
levels. You suggest there is no evidence linking global warming to
increasing powerful hurricanes yet you dismiss noted observed events as
purely cyclical and normal and advocate to stop the gloom and doom. Tell
that to the thousands that died and have been injured and sea coast
flooded due to the increasing powerful hurricanes especially now Katrina
and Rita.

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

KPP wrote:

Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations. Most people seem oblivious to global
warming; we all drive bigger cars, use more fuel, and consume more
energy. Our high consumption habits are responsible for the victims
directly affected by global warming, be they starving Africans,
suffering from famine, or those who are flooded from their homes. The
Kyoto Protocol Partnership (www.kpp.org.uk) campaigns to make people
more aware of their energy consumption and their impact on global
warming. We encourage individuals and companies to reduce CO2 emissions
to meet the targets set by the Kyoto Protocol. No point blaming
politicians or someone else for global warming, we are all responsible
as custodians for the planet, so let's all take care to reduce energy
consumption, reduce waste, so that our children and grandchildren get
left some resources to enjoy.


nightbat

The problem of heat engines has been known since the discovery
of the steam and petrol fuel engines. Of course population was a lot
smaller back then as compared to now but the premise remains the same,
they produce a lot of wasted heat.

A short, concise statement demonstrating that you know zero about what
the term "global warming" means.

Dr. Tesla publicly addressed this
profound problem and advocated the use of clean non polluting electric
motors versus steam and gas engines to avoid the foreseeable eco
atmosphere long term possible negative effects.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, pseudoscientist?

To date the corporate
organized oil men refuse to face this issue because of the long 100
year+ old cheap cost of oil high profit derived fuel versus researched
alternate energy sources.

You evidence for this wild statement is what?

When the 100 year old Middle East oil fixed
cost signed contract leases ran out the problem reemerged as how do we
now pay for the increasing demand for oil dependent World economy?

Yoda-speak is your friend.

The
solution is simple per Dr Tesla's profound warning, go electric or
suffer the consequences.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, saucerhead?

He also publicly informed the person who solves
the Tesla final factor for energy electric renewable power will be the
greatest genius of all time. He profoundly completed three quarters of
it but remaining elusive quarter escaped him, until the nightbat.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Yes, you certainly deserve a VVFWS.

Human
demand for more power isn't the problem it's an increasing World
population necessity, and actually, the limited oil reserves fuel
dependent heat engines are. The Captain and elite Earth Science Team are
here

BFD.

and the choice is yours like its always been, more clean unlimited
power via products using electric motors versus steam and oil fueled
petrol heat engines, you make the choice but remember oil reserves are
limited and we only have one evidenced life bearing planet.

How do you turn the shafts of the electric motors, saucerhead?

And the
great clean electric thing is we can still have oil burning engines once
you have energy renewable means to make more economical renewable oil
plus enough unlimited power to clean up the atmosphere and environment.

ponder on,
the nightbat

"And Darla will hoist me away to Margaritaville!"

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."

"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

wrote:

KPP wrote:
Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures t noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with
the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic
and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into
consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml

- A. McIntire

"
Climate Change & Global Warming
Hurricanes and Global Warming
September 12, 2005

H=2E Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.

In the wake of Katrina, the world scarcely needs reminding that it's
that time of year again: Hurricane season in the Atlantic Basin.
It's no wonder that from June to November, every storm that forms in
the Atlantic Ocean makes hearts race a little bit faster for people
living in states along East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. When the naming
of a storm leads to shortages of bottled water, basic foodstuffs,
plywood and nails as people stock up on materials to batten down their
homes and ride out the coming storm.

For the past decade, hurricane season has also meant the appearance of
environmental alarmists pronouncing to anyone who will listen that
increasingly frequent and dangerous hurricanes are a direct result of
human caused global warming. During 2004's extremely busy hurricane
season, Kevin Trenberth, an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) scientist, held a press conference at Harvard University at
which he and others linked the outbreaks of intense hurricane activity
to global warming. As the severity of Katrina was becoming apparent,
environmental activist, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. attributed the hurricane
to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's opposition to the Kyoto
Protocol.

There is just one problem: hurricane physics, historic data and
ongoing hurricane research indicate that there is scant evidence
linking human caused warming and more frequent or more powerful
hurricanes.

Concerning physics, temperatures are an important factor in hurricane
formation and strength. Hurricanes are heat engines with their
severity being driven in part by the differences in temperature between
the heat source and the heat sink -- the smaller the difference, the
less severe the storm season. While global warming is likely to cause
the oceans to warm modestly in the coming century, air temperatures
nearest the equator, where hurricanes form, will see little or no
increase. While the reduced differential between the air and water
temperatures alone is likely to be too small to result in fewer or less
powerful hurricanes, it works against more hurricanes of greater
intensity forming.

At the 27th annual National Hurricane conference, University of
Colorado atmospheric scientist, Dr. William Gray explained that nature,
in the form of periodically changing ocean circulation patterns, not
humans, is responsible hurricane cycles including the cycle of
increasing hurricane activity that the world is currently experiencing.
According to Gray, the number of Atlantic Hurricanes during the last
decade, including 2004's above average season, is part of a
completely natural, not at all unusual, multi-decadal cycle that
scientists have monitored for more than 100 years. For approximately
the past 25 years, the U.S. has experienced a relative lull in
hurricane activity. Unfortunately for those living near the coasts, we
recently began to come out of that cycle and into an active cycle like
those experienced from approximately 1930 through 1950. Indeed, in the
1940's 23 hurricanes, eight of them category 3 or higher, hit the U.S.
mainland.

A paper to be published in the upcoming issue of the Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, Hurricanes and Global Warming, by six
noted tropical cyclone experts, makes three main points. First, that
no connection has been established between greenhouse gas emissions and
the observed behavior of hurricanes. Second, that the scientific
consensus is that any future changes in hurricane intensities will
likely be small the context of observed natural variability. Third,
the zeal by some for political reasons to link future hurricanes to
global warming, threatens both to undermine support for legitimate
climate research and to lead to the implementation of policies that
will be ineffective in mitigating hurricane impacts.

Problems stemming from the politicization of global warming have
already arisen. In a publicly released "Dear Colleague" letter in
January of 2005, Chris Landsea, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, resigned as an IPCC researcher. His resignation letter
stated that he felt that in his area of expertise, climate and
hurricanes, the IPCC had become too politicized. In particular he
cited the Harvard press conference at which Kevin Trenberth linked the
severity of the 2004 hurricane season to global warming. Landsea noted
that none of the speakers at the Harvard conference cited any new
research in the field to support their claims. He went on to point out
that "...the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most
recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global
warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small."

Hurricanes are a natural phenomena that are costly and, all too often,
deadly. With respect to hurricanes people have enough to fear without
spreading scare stories that global warming will cause super storms
with apocalyptic results for those living on or near the coasts.
Global warming alarmists should be ashamed of themselves for playing on
people's fears to promote their cause.

nightbat

The evidenced effects of the most powerful occurring multi canes
is proof enough of atmospheric and sea heat absorbed energy fueled
events.

Are you an expert on hurricane history?

Additionally experienced hurricane Officer Bert's and other Team
Officers iterations of noted weather pointing and evidentiary sea
heating melting pole glaciers is affirming of rising potential sea
levels. You suggest there is no evidence linking global warming to
increasing powerful hurricanes yet you dismiss noted observed events as
purely cyclical and normal and advocate to stop the gloom and doom. Tell
that to the thousands that died and have been injured and sea coast
flooded due to the increasing powerful hurricanes especially now Katrina
and Rita.

ponder on,
the nightbat

What happened in 1900, saucerhead?
What happened in 1915, saucerhead?
What happened in 1968, saucerhead?

Another example of "profound elite earth space officer" thinking.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."

"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

Art Deco wrote:
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

KPP wrote:

Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations. Most people seem oblivious to global
warming; we all drive bigger cars, use more fuel, and consume more
energy. Our high consumption habits are responsible for the victims
directly affected by global warming, be they starving Africans,
suffering from famine, or those who are flooded from their homes. The
Kyoto Protocol Partnership (www.kpp.org.uk) campaigns to make people
more aware of their energy consumption and their impact on global
warming. We encourage individuals and companies to reduce CO2 emissions
to meet the targets set by the Kyoto Protocol. No point blaming
politicians or someone else for global warming, we are all responsible
as custodians for the planet, so let's all take care to reduce energy
consumption, reduce waste, so that our children and grandchildren get
left some resources to enjoy.


nightbat

The problem of heat engines has been known since the discovery
of the steam and petrol fuel engines. Of course population was a lot
smaller back then as compared to now but the premise remains the same,
they produce a lot of wasted heat.

A short, concise statement demonstrating that you know zero about what
the term "global warming" means.

Dr. Tesla publicly addressed this
profound problem and advocated the use of clean non polluting electric
motors versus steam and gas engines to avoid the foreseeable eco
atmosphere long term possible negative effects.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, pseudoscientist?

To date the corporate
organized oil men refuse to face this issue because of the long 100
year+ old cheap cost of oil high profit derived fuel versus researched
alternate energy sources.

You evidence for this wild statement is what?

When the 100 year old Middle East oil fixed
cost signed contract leases ran out the problem reemerged as how do we
now pay for the increasing demand for oil dependent World economy?

Yoda-speak is your friend.

The
solution is simple per Dr Tesla's profound warning, go electric or
suffer the consequences.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, saucerhead?

He also publicly informed the person who solves
the Tesla final factor for energy electric renewable power will be the
greatest genius of all time. He profoundly completed three quarters of
it but remaining elusive quarter escaped him, until the nightbat.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Yes, you certainly deserve a VVFWS.

Human
demand for more power isn't the problem it's an increasing World
population necessity, and actually, the limited oil reserves fuel
dependent heat engines are. The Captain and elite Earth Science Team are
here

BFD.

and the choice is yours like its always been, more clean unlimited
power via products using electric motors versus steam and oil fueled
petrol heat engines, you make the choice but remember oil reserves are
limited and we only have one evidenced life bearing planet.

How do you turn the shafts of the electric motors, saucerhead?

And the
great clean electric thing is we can still have oil burning engines once
you have energy renewable means to make more economical renewable oil
plus enough unlimited power to clean up the atmosphere and environment.

ponder on,
the nightbat

"And Darla will hoist me away to Margaritaville!"

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler


Art, if you keep responding to every one of the nightbat's posts,
people may begin to think that you two are working as a team!

Double-A

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Art Deco wrote:
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

KPP wrote:

Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations. Most people seem oblivious to global
warming; we all drive bigger cars, use more fuel, and consume more
energy. Our high consumption habits are responsible for the victims
directly affected by global warming, be they starving Africans,
suffering from famine, or those who are flooded from their homes. The
Kyoto Protocol Partnership (www.kpp.org.uk) campaigns to make people
more aware of their energy consumption and their impact on global
warming. We encourage individuals and companies to reduce CO2 emissions
to meet the targets set by the Kyoto Protocol. No point blaming
politicians or someone else for global warming, we are all responsible
as custodians for the planet, so let's all take care to reduce energy
consumption, reduce waste, so that our children and grandchildren get
left some resources to enjoy.


nightbat

The problem of heat engines has been known since the discovery
of the steam and petrol fuel engines. Of course population was a lot
smaller back then as compared to now but the premise remains the same,
they produce a lot of wasted heat.

A short, concise statement demonstrating that you know zero about what
the term "global warming" means.

Dr. Tesla publicly addressed this
profound problem and advocated the use of clean non polluting electric
motors versus steam and gas engines to avoid the foreseeable eco
atmosphere long term possible negative effects.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, pseudoscientist?

To date the corporate
organized oil men refuse to face this issue because of the long 100
year+ old cheap cost of oil high profit derived fuel versus researched
alternate energy sources.

You evidence for this wild statement is what?

When the 100 year old Middle East oil fixed
cost signed contract leases ran out the problem reemerged as how do we
now pay for the increasing demand for oil dependent World economy?

Yoda-speak is your friend.

The
solution is simple per Dr Tesla's profound warning, go electric or
suffer the consequences.

How do you turn the shafts of the motors, saucerhead?

He also publicly informed the person who solves
the Tesla final factor for energy electric renewable power will be the
greatest genius of all time. He profoundly completed three quarters of
it but remaining elusive quarter escaped him, until the nightbat.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Yes, you certainly deserve a VVFWS.

Human
demand for more power isn't the problem it's an increasing World
population necessity, and actually, the limited oil reserves fuel
dependent heat engines are. The Captain and elite Earth Science Team are
here

BFD.

and the choice is yours like its always been, more clean unlimited
power via products using electric motors versus steam and oil fueled
petrol heat engines, you make the choice but remember oil reserves are
limited and we only have one evidenced life bearing planet.

How do you turn the shafts of the electric motors, saucerhead?

And the
great clean electric thing is we can still have oil burning engines once
you have energy renewable means to make more economical renewable oil
plus enough unlimited power to clean up the atmosphere and environment.

ponder on,
the nightbat

"And Darla will hoist me away to Margaritaville!"

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

Art, if you keep responding to every one of the nightbat's posts,
people may begin to think that you two are working as a team!

Double-A

nightbat

Well honestly Officer Double-A for a coffee boy he shows much
promise as I Captain observe and concur with your first deductions. He
astutely zeros in the aspect most common miss and secretly and
intuitively knows what we are talking about. A following science hero
like sidekick almost only with a mouth. How can this be, none of the
other clueless ones show such promise in rising above. The deepest Team
understood scientific connections he wonders about and craves the
answers. Strange, who is this Bart Devo and how does he dart throw so
well? My Captain Team duties keep me occupied and it was you that 1st
noticed the coffee boy with sparks of possibility enigma that is the
Bart. Just remember your initial faith in the Saul whose disrespectful
foul mouth wound him in the stowed Captain's cabinet. I will keep my eye
on this Bart for the perceiving force is strong in this one only he
doesn't know it. Bucking for Science Star Officer status takes guts only
the very best make it.

carry on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

wrote:

KPP wrote:
Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures at noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with
the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic
and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into
consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml

- A. McIntire

"
Climate Change & Global Warming
Hurricanes and Global Warming
September 12, 2005

H=2E Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.

In the wake of Katrina, the world scarcely needs reminding that it's
that time of year again: Hurricane season in the Atlantic Basin.
It's no wonder that from June to November, every storm that forms in
the Atlantic Ocean makes hearts race a little bit faster for people
living in states along East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. When the naming
of a storm leads to shortages of bottled water, basic foodstuffs,
plywood and nails as people stock up on materials to batten down their
homes and ride out the coming storm.

For the past decade, hurricane season has also meant the appearance of
environmental alarmists pronouncing to anyone who will listen that
increasingly frequent and dangerous hurricanes are a direct result of
human caused global warming. During 2004's extremely busy hurricane
season, Kevin Trenberth, an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) scientist, held a press conference at Harvard University at
which he and others linked the outbreaks of intense hurricane activity
to global warming. As the severity of Katrina was becoming apparent,
environmental activist, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. attributed the hurricane
to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's opposition to the Kyoto
Protocol.

There is just one problem: hurricane physics, historic data and
ongoing hurricane research indicate that there is scant evidence
linking human caused warming and more frequent or more powerful
hurricanes.

Concerning physics, temperatures are an important factor in hurricane
formation and strength. Hurricanes are heat engines with their
severity being driven in part by the differences in temperature between
the heat source and the heat sink -- the smaller the difference, the
less severe the storm season. While global warming is likely to cause
the oceans to warm modestly in the coming century, air temperatures
nearest the equator, where hurricanes form, will see little or no
increase. While the reduced differential between the air and water
temperatures alone is likely to be too small to result in fewer or less
powerful hurricanes, it works against more hurricanes of greater
intensity forming.

At the 27th annual National Hurricane conference, University of
Colorado atmospheric scientist, Dr. William Gray explained that nature,
in the form of periodically changing ocean circulation patterns, not
humans, is responsible hurricane cycles including the cycle of
increasing hurricane activity that the world is currently experiencing.
According to Gray, the number of Atlantic Hurricanes during the last
decade, including 2004's above average season, is part of a
completely natural, not at all unusual, multi-decadal cycle that
scientists have monitored for more than 100 years. For approximately
the past 25 years, the U.S. has experienced a relative lull in
hurricane activity. Unfortunately for those living near the coasts, we
recently began to come out of that cycle and into an active cycle like
those experienced from approximately 1930 through 1950. Indeed, in the
1940's 23 hurricanes, eight of them category 3 or higher, hit the U.S.
mainland.

A paper to be published in the upcoming issue of the Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, Hurricanes and Global Warming, by six
noted tropical cyclone experts, makes three main points. First, that
no connection has been established between greenhouse gas emissions and
the observed behavior of hurricanes. Second, that the scientific
consensus is that any future changes in hurricane intensities will
likely be small the context of observed natural variability. Third,
the zeal by some for political reasons to link future hurricanes to
global warming, threatens both to undermine support for legitimate
climate research and to lead to the implementation of policies that
will be ineffective in mitigating hurricane impacts.

Problems stemming from the politicization of global warming have
already arisen. In a publicly released "Dear Colleague" letter in
January of 2005, Chris Landsea, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, resigned as an IPCC researcher. His resignation letter
stated that he felt that in his area of expertise, climate and
hurricanes, the IPCC had become too politicized. In particular he
cited the Harvard press conference at which Kevin Trenberth linked the
severity of the 2004 hurricane season to global warming. Landsea noted
that none of the speakers at the Harvard conference cited any new
research in the field to support their claims. He went on to point out
that "...the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most
recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global
warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small."

Hurricanes are a natural phenomena that are costly and, all too often,
deadly. With respect to hurricanes people have enough to fear without
spreading scare stories that global warming will cause super storms
with apocalyptic results for those living on or near the coasts.
Global warming alarmists should be ashamed of themselves for playing on
people's fears to promote their cause.

nightbat

The evidenced effects of the most powerful occurring multi canes
is proof enough of atmospheric and sea heat absorbed energy fueled
events. Additionally experienced hurricane Officer Bert's and other Team
Officers iterations of noted weather pointing and evidentiary sea
heating melting pole glaciers is affirming of rising potential sea
levels. You suggest there is no evidence linking global warming to
increasing powerful hurricanes yet you dismiss noted observed events as
purely cyclical and normal and advocate to stop the gloom and doom. Tell
that to the thousands that died and have been injured and sea coast
flooded due to the increasing powerful hurricanes especially now Katrina
and Rita.

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

wrote:

KPP wrote:
Do you think it might be a good time for President Bush to reconsider
signing the Kyoto agreement? He declined to earlier, deciding that
doing so, might adversely affect the economic prosperity of the United
States. Paying out billions of dollars to hurricane victims might also
put a dent in the budget, so while he deals with the effects of global
warming, perhaps he might also consider the cause.

Hurricanes and climate change will have a massive effect on the quality
of life for future generations.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures at noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with
the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic
and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into
consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml

- A. McIntire

"
Climate Change & Global Warming
Hurricanes and Global Warming
September 12, 2005

H=2E Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.

In the wake of Katrina, the world scarcely needs reminding that it's
that time of year again: Hurricane season in the Atlantic Basin.
It's no wonder that from June to November, every storm that forms in
the Atlantic Ocean makes hearts race a little bit faster for people
living in states along East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. When the naming
of a storm leads to shortages of bottled water, basic foodstuffs,
plywood and nails as people stock up on materials to batten down their
homes and ride out the coming storm.

For the past decade, hurricane season has also meant the appearance of
environmental alarmists pronouncing to anyone who will listen that
increasingly frequent and dangerous hurricanes are a direct result of
human caused global warming. During 2004's extremely busy hurricane
season, Kevin Trenberth, an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) scientist, held a press conference at Harvard University at
which he and others linked the outbreaks of intense hurricane activity
to global warming. As the severity of Katrina was becoming apparent,
environmental activist, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. attributed the hurricane
to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's opposition to the Kyoto
Protocol.

There is just one problem: hurricane physics, historic data and
ongoing hurricane research indicate that there is scant evidence
linking human caused warming and more frequent or more powerful
hurricanes.

Concerning physics, temperatures are an important factor in hurricane
formation and strength. Hurricanes are heat engines with their
severity being driven in part by the differences in temperature between
the heat source and the heat sink -- the smaller the difference, the
less severe the storm season. While global warming is likely to cause
the oceans to warm modestly in the coming century, air temperatures
nearest the equator, where hurricanes form, will see little or no
increase. While the reduced differential between the air and water
temperatures alone is likely to be too small to result in fewer or less
powerful hurricanes, it works against more hurricanes of greater
intensity forming.

At the 27th annual National Hurricane conference, University of
Colorado atmospheric scientist, Dr. William Gray explained that nature,
in the form of periodically changing ocean circulation patterns, not
humans, is responsible hurricane cycles including the cycle of
increasing hurricane activity that the world is currently experiencing.
According to Gray, the number of Atlantic Hurricanes during the last
decade, including 2004's above average season, is part of a
completely natural, not at all unusual, multi-decadal cycle that
scientists have monitored for more than 100 years. For approximately
the past 25 years, the U.S. has experienced a relative lull in
hurricane activity. Unfortunately for those living near the coasts, we
recently began to come out of that cycle and into an active cycle like
those experienced from approximately 1930 through 1950. Indeed, in the
1940's 23 hurricanes, eight of them category 3 or higher, hit the U.S.
mainland.

A paper to be published in the upcoming issue of the Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, Hurricanes and Global Warming, by six
noted tropical cyclone experts, makes three main points. First, that
no connection has been established between greenhouse gas emissions and
the observed behavior of hurricanes. Second, that the scientific
consensus is that any future changes in hurricane intensities will
likely be small the context of observed natural variability. Third,
the zeal by some for political reasons to link future hurricanes to
global warming, threatens both to undermine support for legitimate
climate research and to lead to the implementation of policies that
will be ineffective in mitigating hurricane impacts.

Problems stemming from the politicization of global warming have
already arisen. In a publicly released "Dear Colleague" letter in
January of 2005, Chris Landsea, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, resigned as an IPCC researcher. His resignation letter
stated that he felt that in his area of expertise, climate and
hurricanes, the IPCC had become too politicized. In particular he
cited the Harvard press conference at which Kevin Trenberth linked the
severity of the 2004 hurricane season to global warming. Landsea noted
that none of the speakers at the Harvard conference cited any new
research in the field to support their claims. He went on to point out
that "...the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most
recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global
warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small."

Hurricanes are a natural phenomena that are costly and, all too often,
deadly. With respect to hurricanes people have enough to fear without
spreading scare stories that global warming will cause super storms
with apocalyptic results for those living on or near the coasts.
Global warming alarmists should be ashamed of themselves for playing on
people's fears to promote their cause.

nightbat

The evidenced effects of the most powerful occurring multi canes
is proof enough of atmospheric and sea heat absorbed energy fueled
events.
(cut)
You ignored my links. We are NOT experiencing the most powerful
hurricanes ever, now.

Hurricane frequency follows a roughly 60 year
cycle. We were in a "down" cycle from about 1960 to 1990, and are now
in an "up" cycle that will last until around 2020. Making a statement
about the last 35 years, barely more than half a cycle, is like
measuring daily temperatures at noon from December 1 to April 1 and
coming to the conclusion that the world is in a "warming" trend. To
get a reasonable indication on whether the frequency or severity of
hurricanes is increasing, the current incidence should be compared with

the same period in prior cycles. As a second point, North America is
not the world, and not only the frequency of hurricanes in the Atlantic

and Gulf of Mexico, but frequency around the world should be taken into

consideration. See the following links; I don't see any long term
change.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml


- A. McIntire