Life on Saturn's moons?

First Europa and Ganymede around Jupiter, now these:
http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17761
http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17762

Pat

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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First Europa and Ganymede around Jupiter, now these:
http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17761
http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17762

Pat


Water-world? Sounds like it's pretty much all water.
Looks like any stable solar system, even mini ones
like Jupiter and Saturn, will have habitable zones.

And if it turns out the first place we look for life
elsewhere, Mars, has bacteria everywhere then
the notion that the universe if full of life is
pretty much a done-deal.

And Mars is full of life. The primary products of the simplest
forms of bacteria are iron deposits. And Mars is ...red.
We can see evidence of life on Mars from a hundred
millions miles away, on a hazy evening without even
using glasses. The evidence of life is so obvious, you'd
have to be blind not to see it.

This aint rocket science, it really is that simple.



Jonathan

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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:14:39 -0400, "jonathan"
wrote:

Water-world? Sounds like it's pretty much all water.
Looks like any stable solar system, even mini ones
like Jupiter and Saturn, will have habitable zones.

Well that is more due to a tidal gravity effect and possibly the
radiation. What is causing Enceladus's South pole to heat up is
currently unknown. Seems like a case of some kind of external energy
input to me.

And if it turns out the first place we look for life
elsewhere, Mars, has bacteria everywhere then
the notion that the universe if full of life is
pretty much a done-deal.

That is a false theory. It has already been proved well enough that
Earth and Mars can frequently cross-contaminate each other. So only if
this discovered Mars life is fully alien can you conclude that there
could be life everywhere.

And Mars is full of life. The primary products of the simplest
forms of bacteria are iron deposits. And Mars is ...red.

Another false idea. Lots of iron compounds on Mars. Add some water and
it soon turns to rust. There is your iron oxide, or "rust dust" as I
like to call it.

The biggest indication of life on Mars so far is in the localized
methane out gassing. Methane is often a biological waste product, but
it can also occur naturally.

We can see evidence of life on Mars from a hundred
millions miles away, on a hazy evening without even
using glasses. The evidence of life is so obvious, you'd
have to be blind not to see it.

There is no evidence of life. A thousand scientists cannot be wrong on
that conclusion.

This aint rocket science, it really is that simple.

To the uninformed.

Cardman.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:04:28 GMT, Cardman wrote:

To the uninformed.

....Pot. Kettle. Black.

PLONK

....How *did* you get out of killfile hell, you troll?

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And if it turns out the first place we look for life
elsewhere, Mars, has bacteria everywhere then
the notion that the universe if full of life is
pretty much a done-deal.

DOn't forget- humanoid and English-speaking!

Cardman wrote:

That is a false theory. It has already been proved well enough that
Earth and Mars can frequently cross-contaminate each other.

Cite?

It is possible for Mars to contaminate the earth.

But it's more difficult to send earth ejecta to Mars since Earth has an
atmosphere and steeper gravity well.

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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:14:39 -0400, "jonathan"



And Mars is full of life. The primary products of the simplest
forms of bacteria are iron deposits. And Mars is ...red.

Another false idea. Lots of iron compounds on Mars. Add some water and
it soon turns to rust. There is your iron oxide, or "rust dust" as I
like to call it.



Nah, iron originates from microbes. Pretty much all of it.




Lunar and Planetary Science XXXV (2004)

"Introduction: Much of earth's sedimentary iron deposits
can be attributed to microbial activity either di-rectly
or indirectly. Precambrian Banded Iron Forma-tions
are characterized by extensive hematite laminae
that may be due to blooms of photosynthetic algae [1],
and also contain stromatolites with hematitic laminae
and hematitic oncoids [2]."

It is this common association of microbes and iron
deposition on earth that has spurred hopes that robot
crafts exploring the hematite anomaly of Mars' Meridiani
Planum might find evidence for ancient life. The
hematite deposits of Meridiani Planum [7], regardless of
their exact origin, are considered to be a favorable host
for microorganisms that might have been associated
with their formation [8]."
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1369.pdf



The biggest indication of life on Mars so far is in the localized
methane out gassing. Methane is often a biological waste product, but
it can also occur naturally.

We can see evidence of life on Mars from a hundred
millions miles away, on a hazy evening without even
using glasses. The evidence of life is so obvious, you'd
have to be blind not to see it.

There is no evidence of life. A thousand scientists cannot be wrong on
that conclusion.


You're not keeping up with the latest research.

Lunar and Planetary Science XXXVI (2005)
PROCESSES OF FORMATION OF SPHEROIDAL CONCRETIONS
AND INFERENCES FOR "BLUEBERRIES" IN MERIDIANI
PLANUM SEDIMENTS.

"In summary, simple nucleation controlled growth will form clumps
or bands of cement not spheroids. Spheroidal nodular concretions
on Earth result from spherical diffusion of products of
diagenetic reactions involving organic"
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2005/pdf/2148.pdf




This aint rocket science, it really is that simple.

To the uninformed.

Cardman.

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"jonathan" wrote in message
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And if it turns out the first place we look for life
elsewhere, Mars, has bacteria everywhere then
the notion that the universe if full of life is
pretty much a done-deal.

DOn't forget- humanoid and English-speaking!


Or they'll speak French, out of spite.

jonathan wrote:

Nah, iron originates from microbes. Pretty much all of it.

More likely iron originates from fusing lighter elements in a star.

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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:23:51 -0700, Hop David
wrote:

jonathan wrote:

Nah, iron originates from microbes. Pretty much all of it.

More likely iron originates from fusing lighter elements in a star.

....Actually, the general concensus is that both theories are
applicable. Where it's applicable depends on where the iron is found.
Core iron is quite obviously from planetary formation processes, while
the deposits that are immediately subsurface that are *not* from
uplift or volcanic sources - the iron we mine, excavate, and taste in
rural drinking water - is from microbial processes.

Which, of course, still doesn't answer whether or not Vegemite was
really the result of an Australian "Andromeda Strain" incident...

OM

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