Wave after Wave

Your Florida meteorologist relating to what he sees on radar. Storm
structures taking place one after another almost on top of each other
off Africa and moving west. Tropical air waves building up strength to
reach winds over 125 mph. This begs the question being created so often
and close to each other can the wave in back catch up to the one in
front and instead of two waves create one big wave? Reality is waves do
reinforce each other this way. Two tropical waves
immerging is like a marriage,and best we give this type hurricane two
names(his,and hers) How about "Bert & Ruth" I know your thinking
"Ozzie & Harriet" Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Your Florida meteorologist relating to what he sees on radar. Storm
structures taking place one after another almost on top of each other
off Africa and moving west. Tropical air waves building up strength to
reach winds over 125 mph. This begs the question being created so often
and close to each other can the wave in back catch up to the one in
front and instead of two waves create one big wave? Reality is waves do
reinforce each other this way. Two tropical waves
immerging is like a marriage,and best we give this type hurricane two
names(his,and hers) How about "Bert & Ruth" I know your thinking
"Ozzie & Harriet" Bert


They said that Katrina had two numbers before it got a name. I guess
it started to dissipate, and then reformed.

Double-A

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:

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This begs the question being created so often
and close to each other can the wave in back catch up to the one in
front and instead of two waves create one big wave?

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No, it is not likely because wave superposition requires synchronization. This
is unlikely in a chaotic system such as the tropical waves coming off the
African coast.

J. Scott Miller wrote:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:

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This begs the question being created so often
and close to each other can the wave in back catch up to the one in
front and instead of two waves create one big wave?

[rest deleted]

No, it is not likely because wave superposition requires synchronization. This
is unlikely in a chaotic system such as the tropical waves coming off the
African coast.

Isn't Bert describing a soliton ?

RL

Hi Rl What is a Soliton ? Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Rl What is a Soliton ? Bert

You have me there, Bert!

.... So I am going to have to hold my breath, hummm and haahhhh and
provide a stunning display of my ignorance. I lack all confidence in
what I say ... and put it crudely and incorrectly. Neverthess ...

A soliton is a nonlinear wave transmission phenomonen.
soliton ... as in solitary wave!

They *may* possess some of these properties ( my ignorance and lack of
confidence is showing )

- a singlular amplitude wave constitutes a wave train

- different solitons can propogate at different velocities in the same
media

- when these waves collide, they do NOT linearly superimpose.
Amplitudes do NOT add/accumulate in a linear way !!!!

Please Note! They are nothing like the waves that we are more commonly
familiar.

Solitons probably describe freak waves. The nonlinear underlying
properties which enable the phenomenon to arise at the outset, IMO, are
likely to influence many situations wherein waves are considered.

For me, it's a bit of a wonder that the linear reality exists at all!

I've always considered soliton type activity to be important, diverse
phenomonen. I was introoduced to the concept decades ago and would have
thought that solitons would be more widely known by now. I have been
completely out of touch with the field for many years.

Best I can do, Bert. Sorry ...

Here are some Googled references:

As a teaser, look at this one first:
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/solitons/soliton1.html


Thence look at the webpage it was sublinked from. This provides a good
non technical description.
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~chris/scott_russell.html

Beyond that these 2 links will get you going.
http://www.usf.uni-osnabrueck.de/~kbrauer/solitons.html
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/solitons/

Also see the Wikipedia blurb which is sparse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton

Without doubt, someone else could explain it much better to you.

RL

"All that in idea seemed simple
Became in practice immediately complex;
As the waves shape themselves symmetrically
From the cliff top,

But to the swimmer among them
Are divided by steep gulfs,
And foaming crests."

~ Virginia Woolf,
From "To the Lighthouse"

Hi RL Nothing for you to be sorry about. Let me "thank you" for that
site. In it was "KdV 2 soliton collisions" That clearly showed a bigger
wave over taking a smaller wave up front and adding this wave making
them "one" with more energy That is what I had in mind if tropical
storms could merge as they move in the same direction. Thanks to you It
help make my point clearer,and proven by experiment. Bert

Don't let someone do that to you
against your consent, say, a professional.

Is it good thinking that a Tsunami hit New Orleans? I can think of three
ways Tsunami's can be formed 1 earthquakes 2 landslides,and an meteorite
impact. Could a # 5 hurricane be the 4th way? Was it a 25 ft Tsunami
that flipped 18 wheelers all over the place. Moved a building half a
mile. My experience is tornadoes inside hurricanes did the real damage
to my house. Not much talk about tornadoes inside Katrina. Lots of talk
about a 22 foot wave. Lots of pictures of those coastal cities looked
just like Indonesia hit by those Tsunami waves. Going just by pictures
of homes near the coast it had to be a wall of water that swept the
homes,and the people that might have stayed inside them and are part of
the thousands missing. This wave could easily cause the three breaches
in the earth walls protecting the low ground on the back side
Beert