Automated DOL PAD For STS-114

Bruce Palmer wrote:

On this page: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/dol_pad.html which
lists the deorbit numbers into KSC for orbit #201, the rolls for the
second and third roll reversals are blank. Does this mean they're not
going to be done, or are they TBD?

You'd better hope they're going to be done! Prepare yourself for a
seat-of-the-pants reentry, since NASA and USA got by with a
seat-of-the-pants launch.

On an optimistic note, never fear; Eileen is here. Don't forget about
that guy from Burlington, Iowa, either; and Steve Robinson should be no
slouch as a flight engineer. I'm sure they've all been rehearsing a
manual reentry for mucho months, and they seem eager for the challenge.
May God be their copilot.

Challenger's Ghost

"Bruce Palmer" wrote:
On this page: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/dol_pad.html which
lists the deorbit numbers into KSC for orbit #201, the rolls for the
second and third roll reversals are blank. Does this mean they're not
going to be done, or are they TBD?

Bruce... the second and third roll reversals are always done, but the
specific roll angles are not ever enumerated specifically on the DOL PAD
(Deorbit/Landing Preliminary Advisory Data, for those of you wanting to know
the acronym).

Contrary to any resident conspiracy kook fantasies, this is nothing new or
different...

Roger
--
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
http://www.balettie.com/

Bruce Palmer wrote:

On this page: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/dol_pad.html which
lists the deorbit numbers into KSC for orbit #201, the rolls for the
second and third roll reversals are blank. Does this mean they're not
going to be done, or are they TBD?

Roger Balettie is referring to you as a "kook," Bruce. It seems like
only yesterday that he was speaking for "anyone," rather than 'any
one.' Given his over-active imagination, and George Herbert's use of
"verifyable" in the same context with "insane," one might wonder why
they don't take a remedial course in Communications Skills 101.

I guess one should expect to hear them defended by old trash-talking
Bob Mosley, though. He jumped ship from history to shuttle long enough
to nip a good on-topic thread in the bud.

I sure don't miss these video game ex-spurts when they're gone.

Challenger's Ghost

Bruce Palmer wrote:
wrote:
Bruce Palmer wrote:

On this page: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/dol_pad.html which
lists the deorbit numbers into KSC for orbit #201, the rolls for the
second and third roll reversals are blank. Does this mean they're not
going to be done, or are they TBD?

Roger Balettie is referring to you as a "kook," Bruce.

That wasn't my impression.

In that case, you've just demonstrated more than simply that your
killfile filtering is a sham. You've shown us that your dues are fully
paid for life membership in Bob Mosley's Human O-Ring Society (HORS).

Challenger's Ghost

"Bruce Palmer" wrote:
Thank you, Roger.

No worries, Bruce... and everyone (except perhaps "the kook") knows to whom
I was referring...

Roger
--
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
http://www.balettie.com/

Bruce Palmer wrote:
Roger Balettie wrote:
"Bruce Palmer" wrote:

On this page: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/dol_pad.html which
lists the deorbit numbers into KSC for orbit #201, the rolls for the
second and third roll reversals are blank. Does this mean they're not
going to be done, or are they TBD?

Bruce... the second and third roll reversals are always done, but the
specific roll angles are not ever enumerated specifically on the DOL PAD

As you know, "always" and "not ever" require rigorous proof. If you
have such proof, you should show it -- beginning with STS-1 and ending
with STS-107. (You can skip Mission 51-L.)

Thank you, Roger.

For what, failing to answer your question concerning "TBD?" Since the
DOL info is only preliminary, yet *advisory*, what's the problem does
NASA's PAO (or Roger) have with providing an early estimate of these
roll angles? The FAQ gives only a very vague idea of what they should
be:

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/groundtracs/dol_pad_faq.html

Shouldn't you expect more from an erudite (tongue in cheek, emphasis on
'rud[e]') "former FDO?"

Challenger's Ghost