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‘Confidential’ Internal Report Slams NASA Life Science Research
Keith Cowing, NASA Watch -- STATUS REPORT Date Released: Monday, October 20, 2003 http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10726 Internal Report Paints Bleak Picture of Human Life Science Research at NASA Editor's note: the following document was generated in 2003 for internal use at NASA Johnson Space Center. You can download the entire 100 page report (with appendices, charts, etc.) here (5.6 MB PDF). The first portion of the document describes how the Space and Life Sciences Division at NASA JSC is supposed to conduct business. The second part of this report (excerpts below) opens by saying "Despite the apparent order of the process described above, the reality of the current program tells a more chaotic story." The third section of this report "Recommendations" ends with "The issue is clear. Voodoo science is not worth the cost. The limb of the fault tree Life Sciences is perched upon is perilously close to breaking." The last portion of this report contains a detailed statistical analysis of JSC life science research. None of the problems described in this document arose overnight. Indeed, they are the result of decades of bad decisions - both at JSC as well as at NASA HQ. These problems are also the result of a failure on the part of advisory committees - both those sponsored by NASA as well as those chartered external to the agency. Having been deeply involved myself in the advisory, peer review, and payload integration aspects of NASA's life sciences programs in the 1980s and 1990s, I saw much of this with my own eyes. It hasn't gotten any better. NASA may soon be handed a new mandate for humans to do new things in space. Unless NASA gets its life sciences research house in order, NASA will not be able to respond to that mandate. |
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http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10726
Internal Report Paints Bleak Picture of Human Life Science Research at NASA Interesting. One of the most interesting problems is (perhaps) the hardest to fix. The sample sizes are really small and what resources there are (in terms of crew time, number of subjects, etc) get divided up between different investigators, some of which are doing duplicative research. The report, of course, calls for eliminating duplication. Which might make sense in some of these cases, but anyone who has followed large organization politics knows that taking this too far eliminates all internal competition. Especially bad in science, where reproducing a result is considered more than just a frill. There are plenty of other things in the report, some of which would be easier to fix. |
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![]() "James Oberg" wrote in message .. . 'Confidential' Internal Report Slams NASA Life Science Research Keith Cowing, NASA Watch -- STATUS REPORT Date Released: Monday, October 20, 2003 http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10726 Internal Report Paints Bleak Picture of Human Life Science Research at NASA Editor's note: the following document was generated in 2003 for internal use at NASA Johnson Space Center. Uh oh---somebody is in serious danger of "getting it" with regards to NASA Life Science experimentation. It will take some time to wade through 100 pages to be sure. I can personally attest to the poor scientific and statistical methodology used in this experimentation (I once used a very basic "t"-test to demonstrate the valid duration of a dilution marker---my civil-service counterparts responded as though I were performing magic). The experimental hardware I saw (and sometimes worked on) ranged from badly maintained to fraudulent. It is also clear that NASA's refusal to regularly submit to effective independent scientific peer review makes much of their experimentation questionable or useless. They have been performing the same haphazard mix of make-work tests on unfortunate (and probably helpless) astronauts for 30 years. Where are the effective countermeasures for prolonged spaceflight? Such things are improbable---NASA would have to actually make spaceflight one of its priorities to accomplish them. The real tragedy is that men and women are placing their lives at risk (or worse) to obtain these data. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** |
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Jim Kingdon wrote:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10726 Internal Report Paints Bleak Picture of Human Life Science Research at NASA Interesting. One of the most interesting problems is (perhaps) the hardest to fix. The sample sizes are really small and what resources there are (in terms of crew time, number of subjects, etc) get divided up between different investigators, some of which are doing duplicative research. The report, of course, calls for eliminating duplication. Which might make sense in some of these cases, but anyone who has followed large organization politics knows that taking this too far eliminates all internal competition. Especially bad in science, where reproducing a result is considered more than just a frill. NASA has an increasing problem when it comes to doing science, in that each new probe/experiment/sensor must be *new*, in order to generate new and exciting press releases. D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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The real tragedy is that men and women are placing their lives at risk (or worse) to obtain these data. And how else is the data to be obtained? D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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Jim Kingdon wrote:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10726 Internal Report Paints Bleak Picture of Human Life Science Research at NASA Interesting. One of the most interesting problems is (perhaps) the hardest to fix. The sample sizes are really small and what resources there are (in terms of crew time, number of subjects, etc) get divided up between different investigators, some of which are doing duplicative research. The report, of course, calls for eliminating duplication. Which might make sense in some of these cases, but anyone who has followed large organization politics knows that taking this too far eliminates all internal competition. Especially bad in science, where reproducing a result is considered more than just a frill. Equally unnerving is the section where the author essentially claims any experiment without a known valid solution *prior to flight* is valuless. D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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How about competent, intelligently conducted and managed experiments
sensibly selected for their scientific, technical, and engineering merit for the benefit of human space exploration or whatever the American people determine is an appropriate set of goals for the program? I know this sounds far-fetched, maybe impossibly starry-eyed---because it has been such a long time since NASA allowed such ideas to get in the way of its agenda. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... wrote: The real tragedy is that men and women are placing their lives at risk (or worse) to obtain these data. And how else is the data to be obtained? D. |
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Ooops---I mean, what data? That seems to be the core of the problem, that
the data obtained are of questionable value in the first place. I'm reminded of when we discovered in the early '90's that the data collected from astronauts with the exercise respiratory mass spectrometer on Skylab (!) had never been processed. One of our subcontractors proposed to go see what they would have learned had they bothered to process the data. I'm also reminded that the MS was built by Perkin-Elmer. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... wrote: The real tragedy is that men and women are placing their lives at risk (or worse) to obtain these data. And how else is the data to be obtained? ---clip--- |
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In article , Derek Lyons wrote:
NASA has an increasing problem when it comes to doing science, in that each new probe/experiment/sensor must be *new*, in order to generate new and exciting press releases. Or, at least, "better". Getting a significantly more high-powered camera around Mars will get good PR, even though many missions have photographed it... -- -Andrew Gray |
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Andrew Gray wrote:
In article , Derek Lyons wrote: NASA has an increasing problem when it comes to doing science, in that each new probe/experiment/sensor must be *new*, in order to generate new and exciting press releases. Or, at least, "better". Better isn't bad, better is in fact a damm good idea, and very common in science. Getting a significantly more high-powered camera around Mars will get good PR, even though many missions have photographed it... There's photographs, and then there's photographs. You need different resolutions, different sun angles, different seasons.... And that's just visible light. (But you are right, cameras get a disproportionate amount of PR, even if they are a valid payload, because it's something that John Q. Public can relate too.) D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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