Shuttle safety up for good reasons!

I think the shuttle will be safer than ever upon RTF. Any safety issues will
result in immediately grounding the fleet. Fixes will be thoroughly examined
for TWO very good reasons. This all depends on finalizing ISS plans It will
have 6 astronauts, be finished by so and so date with these modules..

A. We just had a disaster and obviously dont want it to happen again....

B. Theres a dis incentive for nasa to hurry up and finish the station. As a
matter of fact the faster its finished the sooner the standing army get
downsized...

NASA will now have no reason to push the envelope, and thats fine.

My guess at station comopletion date and shuttles finally taking last trip to
museums?

2015 unless were unlucky and theres another accident

NO reson to hurry up a major layoff....


HAVE A GREAT DAY!

On 24 Jul 2004 12:37:07 GMT, (bob haller) wrote:

I think the shuttle will be safer than ever upon RTF.

Let's hope so, but there's no getting around the fact that the
Shuttles are getting older and older.

My guess at station comopletion date and shuttles finally taking last trip to
museums?

2015 unless were unlucky and theres another accident

2011 or 2012. Retirement in 2010 is a pipe dream, I agree, especially
with the draconian cuts in available launch windows.

Brian

bob haller wrote:
My guess at station comopletion date and shuttles finally taking last trip to
museums?

2015 unless were unlucky and theres another accident

Don't even think about shuttle retirement dates until budgets have been
allocated to allow NASA to develop a replacement.

John Doe wrote in message ...
Don't even think about shuttle retirement dates until budgets have been
allocated to allow NASA to develop a replacement.

Why? Now that Bush has given a 2010 retirement date, what politician
is going to stand up and take responsibility for flying the shuttle
past that date, at the risk of losing another one?

Mark

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:54:31 -0400, John Doe wrote:


Don't even think about shuttle retirement dates until budgets have been
allocated to allow NASA to develop a replacement.

The problem with that is the requirement, established by the Columbia
Accident Investigation Board, to completely recertify the Shuttle for
flight beyond 2010. That will be hugely expensive.

I suspect Constellation will continue in some form no matter who wins
in November. Neither party really wants to be the one to kill US
manned spaceflight, and either will be faced with the need to either
pay a big bill for the aging Shuttle or a new spacecraft. I think the
new spacecraft will win, even if the Moon/Mars aspect of it goes to
the back burner.

Brian

rk wrote:

Don't forget about this recommendation from the CAIB report:

Recertification

R9.2-1 Prior to operating the Shuttle beyond 2010, develop and
conduct a vehicle recertification at the material, component,
subsystem, and system levels. Recertification requirements
should be included in the Service Life Extension Program.

I'm not sure how much this one will be adhered to. It depends how many shuttle
flights remain by 2010. If ISS is only going to require, say, three more
flights to complete by the end of 2010, NASA, or congress or whatever
administration is in power might just say, screw re-certification and hope for
the best on the last couple flights.

I hope NASA isn't told "finish as much of ISS as you can by 2010...if you can't
finish...tough" because that would create the same type of work-atmosphere that
helped cause the loss of two orbiters already.

That 2010 date simply can't be obeyed as strictly as say...the old "before this
decade is out" one. Unless you wanted to pump more money into STS and ISS to do
so.

-A.L.

Brian Thorn wrote in
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On 24 Jul 2004 12:37:07 GMT, (bob haller) wrote:

My guess at station comopletion date and shuttles finally taking last
trip to museums?

2015 unless were unlucky and theres another accident

2011 or 2012. Retirement in 2010 is a pipe dream, I agree, especially
with the draconian cuts in available launch windows.

That won't last long. There are several parallel efforts aimed at restoring
night launch capability (airborne and shipborne imaging, ET/SRB cameras,
wing leading edge sensors). NASA hopes to have night launch capability
again as soon as STS-115, the third flight.

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rk wrote:

Don't forget about this recommendation from the CAIB report:

Recertification

R9.2-1 Prior to operating the Shuttle beyond 2010, develop and
conduct a vehicle recertification at the material, component,
subsystem, and system levels. Recertification requirements
should be included in the Service Life Extension Program.

I'm not sure how much this one will be adhered to. It depends how many
shuttle flights remain by 2010. If ISS is only going to require, say,
three more flights to complete by the end of 2010, NASA, or congress
or whatever administration is in power might just say, screw
re-certification and hope for the best on the last couple flights.

I hope NASA isn't told "finish as much of ISS as you can by 2010...if
you can't finish...tough" because that would create the same type of
work-atmosphere that helped cause the loss of two orbiters already.

NASA's current attitude is that the re-cert requirement will not be allowed
to create schedule pressure to finish ISS by a certain date.


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