Cassini image of Saturn

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA06193.jpg

but watch out its BIG - 5.4mb

http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050226portrait.html

for some explanation.

The latice pattern of the shadows of the rings intersecting the rings
themselves is breathtaking

Thank god the scientists ignored the ravings of those rascals, Newton
and Einstein, or this would of been a picture of either downtown
Groszny, Ulan Bator or Theydon Bois.

Cheers

Martin

--
Martin Frey
http://www.hadastro.org.uk
N 51 02 E 0 47

"Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I."[Principia]

"If we ponder over the question as to how the universe, considered as a
whole, is to be regarded, the first answer that suggests itself to us
is surely this: As regards space (and time) the universe is infinite.
There are stars everywhere, so that the density of matter, although
very variable in detail, is nevertheless on the average everywhere the
same. In other words: However far we might travel through space, we
should find everywhere an attenuated swarm of fixed stars of
approximately the same kind and density. 1
This view is not in harmony with the theory of Newton. The latter
theory rather requires that the universe should have a kind of centre
in which the density of the stars is a maximum, and that as we proceed
outwards from this centre the group-density of the stars should
diminish, until finally, at great distances, it is succeeded by an
infinite region of emptiness. The stellar universe ought to be a finite
island in the infinite ocean of space. 1 2
This conception is in itself not very satisfactory. It is still less
satisfactory because it leads to the result that the light emitted by
the stars and also individual stars of the stellar system are
perpetually passing out into infinite space, never to return, and
without ever again coming into interaction with other objects of
nature. Such a finite material universe would be destined to become
gradually but systematically impoverished. "

http://www.bartleby.com/173/30.html

Drive yourself insane trying to figure out who is the bigger freak and
liar.

Love that bit where Albert says Isaac required a center for his 'fixed
stars' but then it is a hoax inside a bigger hoax and you are too
brainwashed to enjoy the spectacle as the spectacular mess that most
people call nightmares.

Be careful Martin,Tonkers will be hopping mad if you display a pulse of
intelligence and look how you will get ostracised if you talked of
anything other than mild consumerism and celestial photography.

Google certainly figured out that the hotbed of discussion once known
as the usenet is now just a dull and drowsy marketplace where you can
buy the designation of astronomer .Albert sold the world H.G.
Wells,what have you got for sale.

If you find this off topic/offensive please file an abuse report to
quoting the full header of the message.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:27:24 +0000, Martin Frey
wrote:

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA06193.jpg

but watch out its BIG - 5.4mb

http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050226portrait.html

for some explanation.

The latice pattern of the shadows of the rings intersecting the rings
themselves is breathtaking

Breathtakingly beautiful.

--
Pete Lawrence
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk

I find it offensive that Martin here will show up at school tommorrow
and teach kids who can't defend themselves that space is warped and if
you go faster you alter time and all that exotic nonsense.There is no
central authority for this complaint for the anonymous central
community of scientists go along merrily with the exotic nonsense and
laud it as a human achievement when it is the stuff of nightmares.

Albert was no different than Isaac when it came to the 'fixed stars'
yet you freaks have managed to squirm every bit of astronomical data to
support a 1916 concept that went out the window when galactic structure
was observed in the mid 1920's.

Ah,you a cataloguer and would'nt understand that you are a messenger
boy for theorists who know no better.

I find it offensive that Martin here will show up at school tommorrow
and teach kids who can't defend themselves that space is warped and if
you go faster you alter time and all that exotic nonsense.There is no
central authority for this complaint for the anonymous central
community of scientists go along merrily with the exotic nonsense and
laud it as a human achievement when it is the stuff of nightmares.

Albert was no different than Isaac when it came to the 'fixed stars'
yet you freaks have managed to squirm every bit of astronomical data to
support a 1916 concept that went out the window when galactic structure
was observed in the mid 1920's.

Ah,you are a cataloguer and would'nt understand that you are a
messenger boy for theorists who know no better.

wrote:

Be careful Martin,Tonkers will be hopping mad if you display a pulse of
intelligence

Stephen Tonkin lives just down the road and I greatly respect him and
his vast knowledge and helpfulness. Should he and I happen to disagree
on some matter that in no way diminishes my regard for him. Yet it
appears that any syllable of disagreement with your view is grounds
for certification as insane and brings out the vilest obcenities.
Perhaps that is a requirement of the christianity you brag of.

By the way I am not a teacher though I do occasionally talk to
children in schools.

I offer you another opportunity to address the problem raised by your
proposal of 24 hours per 360 degrees of rotation - that, in 6 months
time, a clock registering 24 hours per 360 degrees will say noon at
midnight.

Miss this one and, to the relief of all, I'm out of here.

Cheers

Martin

--
Martin Frey
http://www.hadastro.org.uk
N 51 02 E 0 47

Martin Frey wrote:
wrote:

Be careful Martin,Tonkers will be hopping mad if you display a pulse
of
intelligence

Stephen Tonkin lives just down the road and I greatly respect him and
his vast knowledge and helpfulness. Should he and I happen to
disagree
on some matter that in no way diminishes my regard for him. Yet it
appears that any syllable of disagreement with your view is grounds
for certification as insane and brings out the vilest obcenities.
Perhaps that is a requirement of the christianity you brag of.

By the way I am not a teacher though I do occasionally talk to
children in schools.

I offer you another opportunity to address the problem raised by your
proposal of 24 hours per 360 degrees of rotation - that, in 6 months
time, a clock registering 24 hours per 360 degrees will say noon at
midnight.

Miss this one and, to the relief of all, I'm out of here.

Cheers

Martin

--
Martin Frey
http://www.hadastro.org.uk
N 51 02 E 0 47

Give me Tonker's exact longitude/latitude coordinates and I will tell
you exactly how far he is from you,after all,each 1 degree difference
in longitude equals four minutes clock time and you can subdivide it to
smaller and smaller value with differential GPS.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/degreelenllavcalc.html

I suppose you have never been out in the open ocean therefore I would
not expect you to know that in 1990 we used to fill in the gaps in
GPS satellite coverage by having an onboard atomic clock which
basically translates back into the same terrestial coordinates Harrison
used in developing an accurate clock based on equable pace and the 24
hour/360 deg equivalency.

http://www.math.uncc.edu/~droyster/t...TM_Handout.pdf

Look,69 miles at the equator corresponding to 4 minutes clock time is
still the same as it ever was just as it is 0 miles at the poles.

The guy who basically invented atomic clocks had a pretty good outlike
on Albert and relativity but just like everyone else (including a guy
called Petr Beckmann*) his work was assimilated into supporting
something he hated.

http://www.btinternet.com/~time.lord/Relativity.html

The sad part is that although brilliant men in their own right they
were still stuck in the Newtonian world where shortcuts were taken and
therefore the impact on their colleagues was and remains lost.All that
remains are cowards who fear people like Tonkers and faceless people
like him.

There is nothing interesting about any of you unless you imagine that
tourists who take snapshots of the cosmos are capable of anything
significant otherwise you follow after the theorists who have been
chasing conceptual rainbows for centuries.

Ultimately none of you are comfortable with astronomy and it shows.









* "I challenge anyone to quote a single, solitary place where Newton in
thePrincipia or elsewhere said F=ma. He was much too careful a man to
assume the constancy of mass and never, but never, went beyond F =
d(mv)/dt
and never took the m out of the parenthesis as constant. That was done
by
the guesswork-loving intuitive physicists who lived after him. Of
course,
the Principia are not written in the language of algebra, but of
geometry.."

Petr Beckmann

Martin Frey wrote:

The latice pattern of the shadows of the rings intersecting the rings
themselves is breathtaking


Agreed. This one's still a favourite of mine though.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050211.html

The Mars Express images have been awesome lately as well.
We're being spoilt at the moment.

Thank god the scientists ignored the ravings of those rascals, Newton
and Einstein...

Our poor kids. Hell in a handcart, that's what I say!


Tim

wrote:

Give me Tonker's exact longitude/latitude coordinates and I will tell
you exactly how far he is from you,after all,each 1 degree difference
in longitude equals four minutes clock time and you can subdivide it to
smaller and smaller value with differential GPS.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/degreelenllavcalc.html

I suppose you have never been out in the open ocean therefore I would
not expect you to know that in 1990 we used to fill in the gaps in
GPS satellite coverage by having an onboard atomic clock which
basically translates back into the same terrestial coordinates Harrison
used in developing an accurate clock based on equable pace and the 24
hour/360 deg equivalency.

You mean all the fuss has been about this? Of course there is good
correspondence between a degree of longitude and a clock - trouble is
there is not good correspondence between a 24 hour day and a single
axial rotation through 360 degrees for the reason I have oft repeated
- midday would become midnight every 6 months.

I've put you - on earth o (in the tropics) with your 24 hour per 360
degree chronometer with the Sun O high in the sky 1st Jan.
O -o
At the same time, by your clock, 6 months later you will be in exactly
the same rotational position but the Sun will be on the other side of
the earth - beyond salvation by te equation of time whose net maximum
change in 6 months is around half an hour.
-o O

However despite galactic motion, precession, orbital velocity and
axial rotation neither of us are going to move and so I bid you
goodbye.

And PS - I haven't been a christian for 50 years but I clearly recall
some disapproval of obscenity and I have a hazy remembrance of what
happens when men revile ye. So relax and count your blessings.

Cheers

Martin

--
Martin Frey
http://www.hadastro.org.uk
N 51 02 E 0 47