The Temperature IS Rising...

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WHILE THE WORLDLY "scientists" will argue all day long for and
against the reality of short-term and long-term global warming,
depending categorically on who's writing his or her paychecks
to skew measurements and interpretation of the data one way or
the other, unlike scientists, ice doesn't lie! In fact, ice is
melting significantly faster than it is accumulating worldwide.
And the exponential rate at which global warming is occurring
is much faster than is being reported even by its proponents
(meaning of course those who acknowledge that global warming
is happening, in contrast to others who effectively advocate
global warming by refusing to acknowledge that it's occurring).

But of course, the worldly will never admit to their own lies
and self-deluding subterfuge, and that's the way it's always
been. Global catastrophes have always been the ONLY way that
the worldly have been literally forced by the Gods to openly
confess that there is a man-made problem. Only when it happens
do the worldly curse God, spewing forth the usual immature and
foolish lies like "How could a loving God let such a terrible
tragedy happen to me?" and other such blasphemous projections
for which the worldly God-haters are so historically renowned.

With lakes recently appearing at the north pole, giant chunks
of ice breaking off Antarctica, glaciers melting all over the
place, rising rates of hurricanes, typhoons, tornados, storms,
etc. et cetera, the following is just another of myriad clear
examples of observable and tangible effects of global warming:

[begin quote http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_...uNewsID=19111]
"Water crisis looms as Himalayan glaciers retreat
14 Mar 2005
Gland, Switzerland - Himalayan glaciers are among the
fastest retreating glaciers globally due to the effects of
global warming, and this will eventually result in water
shortages for hundreds of millions of people who rely on
glacier-dependent rivers in China, India and Nepal, warns
WWF, the global conservation organization.
A new WWF report - An Overview of Glaciers, Glacier
Retreat and Subsequent Impacts in Nepal, India and China -
reveals the rate of retreat of Himalayan glaciers
accelerating as global warming increases. The report
states that glaciers in the region are now receding at an
average rate of 10-15 metres per year.
"The rapid melting of Himalayan glaciers will first
increase the volume of water in rivers, causing widespread
flooding," said Jennifer Morgan, Director of WWF's Global
Climate Change Programme. "But in a few decades this
situation will change and the water level in rivers will
decline, meaning massive economic and environmental
problems for people in western China, Nepal and northern
India."
Himalayan glaciers feed into seven of Asia's greatest
rivers (the Ganges, Indus, Brahmaputra, Salween, Mekong,
Yangtze and Huange He), ensuring a year-round water supply
to hundreds of millions of people in the Indian
subcontinent and China. As glacier water flows dwindle,
the energy potential of hydroelectric power will decrease
causing problems for industry, while reduced irrigation
means lower crop production.
Nepal has an annual average temperature rise of 0.06* C
per year. The report shows that three of Nepal's snow-fed
rivers have shown declining trends in discharge. In China,
the report shows that Qinhai Plateau's wetlands have seen
declining lake water levels, lake shrinkage, the absence
of water flow in rivers and streams, and the degradation
of swamp wetlands. In India, the Gangotri glacier, which
supports one of India's largest river basins, is receding
at an average rate of 23 metres per year.
The report is released on the eve of a two-day ministerial
roundtable of the 20 largest energy using economies in the
world, including China and India, followed by a G8 meeting
of development and environment ministers focusing on
climate change and on Africa. Both meetings are hosted by
the UK government in London from 15-18 March. WWF has sent
a letter to participating ministers, stressing the need to
recognize climate change as an issue that seriously
threatens security and development prospects.
"Ministers should realize now that the world faces an
economic and development catastrophe if the rate of global
warming isn't reduced," said Jennifer Morgan. "They need
to work together on reducing CO2 emissions, increasing the
use of renewable energy and implementing energy efficiency
measures."
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Now, recall C. Hapgood & A. Einstein's well-informed theory:

"In a polar region there is continual deposition of ice,
which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole.
The earth's rotation acts on these unsymmetrically de-
posited masses, and produces centrifugal momentum that
is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth. The
constantly increasing centrifugal momentum produced in
this way will, when it has reached a certain point pro-
duce a movement of the earth's crust over the rest of
the earth's body..."--Albert Einstein, from his foreword
to professor C.H. Hapgood's 'Earth's Shifting Crust' p.1

Hapgood's geological estimations for previous catastrophic
crustal displacements agreed with Edgar Cayce's extensive
psychic readings, altogether which this table is based on:

PATH OF THE POLES
epoch geographical north pole new position
200,000 BC Equatorial Guinea to ?? ?? ??
???,000 BC ?? to Yukon 63N 135W
50,000 BC Yukon to E. of Greenland 72N 10E
28,000 BC Greenland Sea to Hudson Bay 60N 73W
10,100 BC Hudson Bay to Arctic 90N 0E

Quoting from an article dated 11/30/2001, similar crustal
displacement was observed to occur on Jupiter's moon Europa,
conspicuously without giving credit to Hapgood and Einstein
who'd very specifically described it decades befo

"'This extra thick layer of ice near the poles wants to
spin out toward the equator'... But because the ice is
locked into a global crust, it cannot simply spin out
in all directions. Instead, the entire shell of the
moon wanders. This effect was originally predicted by
Gregory Ojakangas and David Stevenson in 1989."

I like the way they say "originally", as if Hapgood and
Einstein never existed! (That's typical of the worldly.)

But by all accounts of global warming proponents, for the
polar ice to be melting off BEFORE a crustal displacement,
this polar melt-off is historically unprecedented, giving
rise to the very real possibility--even probability--that
the melting ice will soon yield to the centrifugal momentum
of Earth's own asymmetrically-distributed crust, such that
we'll realize that it was the previously-stable polar ice
that was compensating for the asymmetry of Earth's crust,
thereby preventing the (contemporary) crustal displacement.
Had the industrial revolution and therefore man-made global
warming not've occurred, then polar ice would've continued
to build up, and yet another crustal displacement would've
probably ensued in any case. So the argument can be made
that global warming or not, catastrophic displacements of
Earth's crust are an inevitable condition, reflection, or
more precisely the *RESULT* of mans fallen Adamic nature.

This points ultimately to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
in 31 AD, and his eternal and unassailable Dominion over
the entire planet Earth--down to its very core. Think of
it. Rather than causing just a crustal displacement, the
whole bulk mass of the Earth--crust and all--will return
to a more stable and perpendicular aspect of rotation to
the ecliptic, such that Earth's terrestrial equator and
caelestial equator will gradually become nearly co-planar,
not 23.4 some-odd degrees oblique like they are situated
today. So global warming is serving a far greater purpose
than just destabilizing the Earth, and we who are called
apocalyptic millenarianists have much to look forward to.

By contrast, the worldly have much to fear, much indeed...

In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
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On 14 Mar 2005 23:03:50 -0000, (Daniel Joseph
Min) wrote:

ice doesn't lie! In fact, ice is
melting significantly faster than it is accumulating worldwide.

An urban myth which has no significance even if true. It has happened
many times before as the continents drifted through the ages. But it
does show that your paycheck comes from the liberal warm lobby.

Daniel Joseph Min wrote:

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WHILE THE WORLDLY "scientists" will argue all day long for and

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With you blowing so much hot air on this and other newsgroups, what did
you expect?

DustyMars wrote:


May I ask someone this: what part of Earth is increasing in temperature
That should be the question to those who are seeing Chicken Little
chirping aobut stuff falling.

A quarter of the world's coral has already been destroyed by warmer
water but it is the Arctic that is the greatest indicator of climate
change. The Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the
world. More than 20% of the permanent ice cap in the Arctic has
disappeared in less than 30 years and the Inuit are seeing (southern)
plants and insects they had never seen before like wasps and
dragonflies. The ice is 40 percent thinner than it was in 1970 and is
expected to disappear completely by 2070!!!

Glaciers in the Rocky Mountains of British Columbia diminished by 10
percent during the summer of 2003 - ONE summer to lose 10% - that's a
direct threat to the fresh water drinking supplies for parts of Western
Canada which, at its current rate of melt, will be gone before 2020.

..

DustyMars wrote:

In article ,
says...


DustyMars wrote:


May I ask someone this: what part of Earth is increasing in temperature
That should be the question to those who are seeing Chicken Little
chirping aobut stuff falling.

A quarter of the world's coral has already been destroyed by warmer
water but it is the Arctic that is the greatest indicator of climate
change. The Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the
world. More than 20% of the permanent ice cap in the Arctic has
disappeared in less than 30 years and the Inuit are seeing (southern)
plants and insects they had never seen before like wasps and
dragonflies. The ice is 40 percent thinner than it was in 1970 and is
expected to disappear completely by 2070!!!

Glaciers in the Rocky Mountains of British Columbia diminished by 10
percent during the summer of 2003 - ONE summer to lose 10% - that's a
direct threat to the fresh water drinking supplies for parts of Western
Canada which, at its current rate of melt, will be gone before 2020.

..



"A quarter of the world's coral has already been destroyed by warmer
water but it is the Arctic that is the greatest indicator of climate
change."

I am sure that you read this wither in Mad Magazine or some left leaning

"Left" leaning??????? Are you turning this into a political argument?
Good one. Never fails. When you run out of facts (or just don't have
them) you turn it political.

environmental mental institute. Your first mistake is to assume the
entire area of the oceans are covered with coral.

I made no such assumption. Quote where I said that!!! I challege you to
point out where I said anything about a quarter of the world's ocean or
ocean floor. I said "coral" - that is the life that lives primarily on
the world's ocean reefs. That's common knowledge to anyone with half a
clue about the ocean. You're seeing what you want to see, obviously.

Most of the sea floor
is sand. A quarter of anything of this planet (world is a girlie-man
term) is a lot of stuff. If you said that a quarter of pot were dying
off then you may have a substantial following, but only a few alarmist
will swallow this garbage.

Not garbage. Substantiated by scientific study.

http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_ref.htm#coral

"In October, 2000 at the Ninth International Coral Reef Symposium, held
on the island of Bali, researchers warned that more than 25% of the
world's coral reefs have been destroyed by pollution and global warming.
Scientists emphasized that most of the damage to coral is inflicted by
global warming through coral bleaching, the result of higher water
temperatures heating the coral. The warming waters stress the coral,
which then expels the microscopic plants or algae that give the coral
color and nourishes it. Most of the remaining coral could be dead in 20
years, if global warming and pollution continue. Coral reefs around the
Maldives and Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean have taken the brunt
of warming seas, as 90% of these corals have been killed over the past
two years. Some of the coral reefs, long described as undersea
rainforests, home to marine ecosystems that sustain thousands of species
of fish and other marine life, have been alive for up to 2.5 million years."


"The Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world. More
than 20% of the permanent ice cap in the Arctic has disappeared in less
than 30 years ?"

Well, you certainly don't read the scientific literature I do or you
would see that what you say is not due to a shrinking ice cap in the
Arctic but normal displacement and movement of the ice layers of the
north polar region. Pure alarmist aromatic bovine flatulence.

Alarmist? Your explanation defies any logic to the point of being
downright stupid. Twenty percent of the ice cap doesn't just disappear
by movement...holy ****...what are you smoking????

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0123-01.htm

"And in November, a multi-year study by 300 scientists concluded that
the Arctic was warming twice as fast as the rest of the world and that
its ice-cap had shrunk by up to 20 per cent in the past three decades."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...polar_ice.html

"The impacts of global warming are affecting people now in the Arctic,"
said Robert Corell, chairperson of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment,
in a news release. "The Arctic is experiencing some of the most rapid
and severe climate change on Earth. The impacts of climate change on the
region and the globe are projected to increase substantially in the
years to come."


I will not even read the rest of you rant, it is childish and
unscientific at best.

I can see the results by looking outside my door. In the six years since
I've come home there has been NO ice off the (Eastern) coast when we
used to be clogged with it every Spring twenty and thirty years ago (and
as far back as my 75 year old father can remember). Winters are
noticibly shorter - we don't see significant snow until January and it's
gone by the end of March. A far cry from the five-six month winters we
used to have.

Nothing childish about that. It is observable and regardless of what is
causing it, it IS happening.


I suggest you read the following: snipped

By CNSNews who???? Let me guess....a Baby Bush parroting organization.

I prefer to get the facts from the scientists that study the problem,
not some web news service with an obvious bias. I hold no specific
political "leaning" and absolutely NO religious beliefs. My opinion is
my own and objective. I accept only facts presented by "qualified"
individuals or groups - not some parrot of Bush.

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"DustyMars" wrote in message
.. .

May I ask someone this: what part of Earth is increasing in temperature

It is the trend in the global average that is
causing concern:

http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/...arge/05.16.jpg

Note the fairly consistent trend prior to 1910 in
the lower graph and the rather obvious difference
subsequent to that time.

George

Let's assume that that in fact global warming is real and
disaster will eventually happen.

What will be done about it?

Nothing.

That's because nobody has the will to really
do something real.

Real implies:

1) conversion of perhaps 75% of current cropland to
unoccupied forest

2) cutting use of fossil fuels to perhaps 20% of
current useage ... not a 20% reduction, an 80% reduction

to do this will end up requiring:

1) a dramatic reduction in the number of people
with first world standard of living .... from perhaps
one billion today to 200 to 500 million in 50 years.

2) a total reduction of population from 6 billion today
to perhaps 1 to 1.5 billion 100 years from now.

3) methods of making this happen. Realistically, this
means
a) forced birth control
b) forced sterilization
c) infanticide
d) Nazi-style gas chambers for all old people

4) MASSIVE WAR

None of this will happen. Anybody who thinks any significant
dent in CO2 generation will happen in 100 years is deluded.


Doug McDonald

Now, what the proponents of that stuff want to hear is, if we elect
some liberal politicians then they will make a laws, and the laws will
tested in court, and by the time the courts get finished with them, it
will be a thing of the past -- so they will have to find a new hobby.
Wackos have no brains.

George Dishman wrote:
"DustyMars" wrote in message
.. .

May I ask someone this: what part of Earth is increasing in temperature


It is the trend in the global average that is
causing concern:

http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/...arge/05.16.jpg

Note the fairly consistent trend prior to 1910 in
the lower graph and the rather obvious difference
subsequent to that time.

George



So what is your point?? Lets look at the graph... about 1905, it says
that the trend was a pending ice age.. Now, we are going to fry..

Do you believed that the temperature of the earth is constant, was
and always will be constant. We live in universe that is in constant
change. We lived when it was cold, we will find a way to live when
it is hot. Last time I checked, there are already million's of people
who live in place's where it is very hot, much of the time. It is also
very dry, much of the time.

Lets see, if the temperature rises, my heating bill will be reduced, but
my A/C cost will increase.. Well, I guess it will average out.

Steve

"Steve Sherman" wrote in message
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George Dishman wrote:
"DustyMars" wrote in message
.. .

May I ask someone this: what part of Earth is increasing in temperature


It is the trend in the global average that is
causing concern:

http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/...arge/05.16.jpg

Note the fairly consistent trend prior to 1910 in
the lower graph and the rather obvious difference
subsequent to that time.

George



So what is your point?? Lets look at the graph... about 1905, it says
that the trend was a pending ice age.. Now, we are going to fry..

Do you believed that the temperature of the earth is constant, was
and always will be constant. We live in universe that is in constant
change. We lived when it was cold, we will find a way to live when
it is hot. Last time I checked, there are already million's of people
who live in place's where it is very hot, much of the time. It is also
very dry, much of the time.

Lets see, if the temperature rises, my heating bill will be reduced, but
my A/C cost will increase.. Well, I guess it will average out.

Steve

Assuming that you live for the next 50 years, where will your energy come
from and what will it cost?

Z