The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers' nightmare. Run for Canada now!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...uri/index.html

The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:38:01 +0200, in a place far, far away, "Tamas
Feher" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...uri/index.html

The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!

There is absolutely nothing in the article cited to support your
latest nuttiness. "some college students debate the draft" != "the
draft is here."

"Tamas Feher" wrote in message

Stop posting this political bull**** to sci.space.policy!


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Alan Erskine
We can get people to the Moon in five years,
not the fifteen GWB proposes.
Give NASA a real challenge

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:38:01 +0200, "Tamas Feher"
wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...uri/index.html

The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!


Can you actually read?

Here's one quote from that article (written by a college student for a
campus paper):

"It's clearly a distraction even though the renewal of the draft isn't likely to happen," said Rick Hardy, an associate professor of political science at the University of Missouri-Columbia.

"People start rumors that no one has an earthly idea where they came from, but the problem is that you have to respond to it," Hardy said. "If you don't respond, people will just assume that it's true."


Or, here's another:


Senior graphic design student Pat Olds said he was glad the prospect was being discussed because it was important to consider the possibility, but he said that it was being used as a political tool.

"I really don't think it's going to occur," Olds said. "I think no matter who is elected we won't have a draft. It's one of those things that only gets talked about every four years."


Now, let's consider some other facts:

1.) The legislation to reintroduce the draft was initiated in January
of 2003 by Charles Rangel (Dem) and sponsored by the likes of Sheila
Jackson-Lee, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Jesse Jackson Jr. and other
extreme left-wing democrats. In the Senate it was introduced by
retiring Ernest Hollings, also a Democrat. In other words, no
Republicans involved and not even any mid-stream Democrats.

2.) Two weeks ago the measure was called to a vote and defeated 421-2
in the House. Not even the sponsors voted for it.

3.) The Bush administration has repeatedly indicated that it is
satisfied with the size of the military.

4.) The Kerry campaign has indicated a need to add divisions and
increase Special Forces by 40,000 (ignoring the fact the SF folks
require about 4-6 years of experience before qualifying for the
specialty.)

5.) The current US military is smaller than it has been since before
WW II.

6.) The high-tech, all-volunteer force is not easily adaptable to a
conscription system which doesn't have the ability to control
motivation or qualification of the input.

and, 7.) If you don't think the war on terrorism is a threat to the US
and that democracy is worth fighting for, the road to Canada is
well-paved. You'll like it there.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:38:01 +0200, "Tamas Feher"
wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...uri/index.html

The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!


snip good points


4.) The Kerry campaign has indicated a need to add divisions and
increase Special Forces by 40,000 (ignoring the fact the SF folks
require about 4-6 years of experience before qualifying for the
specialty.)

Actually, what his "national security plan" says is an overall increase of
40K for the Army, including those two curious divisions (one of which he
identified during the last debate as being a "support division", apparently
not knowing there is no such critter). But you are correct in that he is the
*only* candidate arguing for a significant increase in end strength...but he
offers no info as to how he will pay for this and the other rather ambiguous
"improvements" he would make to the military.


5.) The current US military is smaller than it has been since before
WW II.

Not quite. The Army's low ebb strength point came in 2000, just before Bush
was elected, at 471 thousand plus troops, while the other services hit their
lowest points in 1995-96 for the Navy/USMC, and 97 for the USAF (351K).
Active component Army strength at the beginning of this year was about 482K,
and Rumsfeld authorized an "emergency" increase of 30K to that number this
past January.


6.) The high-tech, all-volunteer force is not easily adaptable to a
conscription system which doesn't have the ability to control
motivation or qualification of the input.

and, 7.) If you don't think the war on terrorism is a threat to the US
and that democracy is worth fighting for, the road to Canada is
well-paved. You'll like it there.

That would be a long swim for a Hungarian whacko like Tamas. :-)

Brooks



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

"Tamas Feher"
The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!

Keep the border open. In 'Nam, Canada sent us more volunteers than
there were yellow-bellies who ran there for cover, and the Canucks
came south to FIGHT, not FLEE. It was a fair trade. I didn't want
any of the flee-ers back, but Peanut-brain Prez pardoned 'em.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
...


and, 7.) If you don't think the war on terrorism is a threat to the US
and that democracy is worth fighting for, the road to Canada is
well-paved. You'll like it there.


Tamas is posting from Hungary, I think he's one of
the few who miss the Russians.

Keith

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:26:40 +0100, in a place far, far away, "Keith
Willshaw" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

and, 7.) If you don't think the war on terrorism is a threat to the US
and that democracy is worth fighting for, the road to Canada is
well-paved. You'll like it there.


Tamas is posting from Hungary, I think he's one of
the few who miss the Russians.

Russians, hell. He probably misses the Nazis. At least *they* knew
how to deal with those trouble-making "neocon" Jews.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:34:39 -0700, in a place far, far away, "W. D.
Allen Sr." made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

So where does Kerry think he is going to get those 40,000 troops we doesn't
really need?

Want to face a DRAFT? Vote for LURCH!

Actually, Kerry has already called for a draft of high-school students
for civic service.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:38:01 +0200, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Tamas Feher"
:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...uri/index.html

The draft is here, boys and girls will become cannonfodder as GWB's
constant wars turn USA into a scientologist Starship Troopers'
nightmare. Run for Canada now!

You might want to notice the minor fact that there is no
draft.

And BTW, you don't have to include the entire content of
your post as the "Subject:"...

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(without the spaces, of course)

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the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
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