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One of the perks of being a graduate student is that I can take a
morning off to read gigantic PDF files. :-) Still I'm only about a third of the way through. On the whole, the first section, about the actual loss of the orbiter, is about what I expected. I haven't gotten to the institutional culture sections yet... So here are a few things that jumped out at me as being noteworthy thus far: (Page numbers refer to the complete PDF file.) page 11: "NASA designed and developed a remarkably capable and resilient vehicle, consisting of an Orbiter with three Main Engines,two Solid Rocket Boosters,and an External Tank, but one that has never met any of its original requirements for reliability,cost,ease of turnaround,maintainability,or, regrettably,safety." [Nothing we didn't know already, but I believe this is the first time it's been put so frankly in a government document.] page 13: "Based on NASA's history of ignoring external recommendations,or making improvements that atrophy with time,the Board has no confidence that the Space Shuttle can be safely operated for more than a few years based solely on renewed post-accident vigilance." [ Yep, it's ugly all right. But that's what's needed, I think.] page 21: "This chapter charts how the Shuttle emerged from a series of political compromises that produced unreasonable expectations even myths about its performance,how the Challenger accident shattered those myths several years after NASA began acting upon them as fact,and how,in retrospect,the Shuttle's technically ambitious design resulted in an inherently vulnerable vehicle,the safe operation of which exceeded NASA's organizational capabilities as they existed at the time of the Columbia accident." [ Ouch again.] page 52: "Although there is no evidence that substandard methods were used to qualify the bipod ramp design,tests made near- ly three decades ago were rudimentary by today's standards and capabilities. Also,testing did not follow the often-used engineering and design philosophy of 'Fly what you test and test what you fly.'" page 53: "Foam loss has occurred on more than 80 percent of the 79 missions for which imagery is available,and foam was lost from the left bipod ramp on nearly 10 percent of missions where the left bipod ramp was visible following External Tank separation." page 54: Prof. Osheroff's foam experiment, in his own words. page 69: Figure 3.6-11 is probably the best graphic of the airflow within the wing I have seen yet. Poor Columbia... Page 72: Figure 3.7-1. "Wow", said out loud, was my reaction to this photo of the recovered debris from the two wings. The left wing's just -gone-... Given that it now seems that a very large fraction of the left wing peeled off as the early debris trails, it's amazing that the nominal flight plan was maintained so long. Kudos again to the flight control software team. |
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Marshall Perrin wrote:
One of the perks of being a graduate student is that I can take a morning off to read gigantic PDF files. :-) Still I'm only about a third of the way through. On the whole, the first section, about the actual loss of the orbiter, is about what I expected. I haven't gotten to the institutional culture sections yet... The institutional culture sections were the FIRST thing I jumped to. See below. I know they can fix this particular technical problem, but where we go from here after that's fixed is the real issue. page 21: "This chapter charts how the Shuttle emerged from a series of political compromises that produced unreasonable expectations even myths about its performance,how the Challenger accident shattered those myths several years after NASA began acting upon them as fact,and how,in retrospect,the Shuttle's technically ambitious design resulted in an inherently vulnerable vehicle,the safe operation of which exceeded NASA's organizational capabilities as they existed at the time of the Columbia accident." [ Ouch again.] Here's more sound bites, all from Chapter 7: 177-178: "NASA?s initial briefings to the Board on its safety programs espoused a risk-averse philosophy that empowered any employee to stop an operation at the mere glimmer of a problem. Unfortunately, NASA?s views of its safety culture in those briefings did not reflect reality. Shuttle Program safety personnel failed to adequately assess anomalies and frequently accepted critical risks without qualitative or quantitative support, even when the tools to provide more comprehensive assessments were available. Similarly, the Board expected to find NASA?s Safety and Mission Assurance organization deeply engaged at every level of Shuttle management: the Flight Readiness Review, the Mission Management Team, the Debris Assessment Team, the Mission Evaluation Room, and so forth. This was not the case. In briefing after briefing, interview after interview, NASA remained in denial: in the agency?s eyes, “there were no safety-of-flight issues,” and no safety compromises in the long history of debris strikes on the Thermal Protection System. The silence of Program-level safety processes undermined oversight; when they did not speak up, safety personnel could not fulfill their stated mission to provide “checks and balances.” A pattern of acceptance prevailed throughout the organization that tolerated foam problems without sufficient engineering justification for doing so." 179: "NASA culture has become reactive, complacent, and dominated by unjustified optimism. Over time, slowly and unintentionally, independent checks and balances intended to increase safety have been eroded in favor of detailed processes that produce massive amounts of data and unwarranted consensus, but little effective communication. Organizations that successfully deal with high-risk technologies create and sustain a disciplined safety system capable of identifying, analyzing, and controlling hazards throughout a technology?s life cycle." 181: "Importance of Communication: At every juncture of STS-107, the Shuttle Program?s structure and processes, and therefore the managers in charge, resisted new information. Early in the mission, it became clear that the Program was not going to authorize imaging of the Orbiter because, in the Program?s opinion, images were not needed. Overwhelming evidence indicates that Program leaders decided the foam strike was merely a maintenance problem long before any analysis had begun. Every manager knew the party line: “we?ll wait for the analysis – no safety-of-flight issue expected.” Program leaders spent at least as much time making sure hierarchical rules and processes were followed as they did trying to establish why anyone would want a picture of the Orbiter. These attitudes are incompatible with an organization that deals with high-risk technology." 181: "Conditioned by Success: Even after it was clear from the launch videos that foam had struck the Orbiter in a manner never before seen, Space Shuttle Program managers were not unduly alarmed. They could not imagine why anyone would want a photo of something that could be fixed after landing. More importantly, learned attitudes about foam strikes diminished management?s wariness of their danger. The Shuttle Program turned “the experience of failure into the memory of success.” 18 Managers also failed to develop simple contingency plans for a re-entry emergency. They were convinced, without study, that nothing could be done about such an emergency. The intellectual curiosity and skepticism that a solid safety culture requires was almost entirely absent. Shuttle managers did not embrace safety-conscious attitudes. Instead, their attitudes were shaped and reinforced by an organization that, in this instance, was incapable of stepping back and gauging its biases. Bureaucracy and process trumped thoroughness and reason." 181: "Significance of Redundancy: The Human Space Flight Program has compromised the many redundant processes, checks, and balances that should identify and correct small errors. Redundant systems essential to every high-risk enterprise have fallen victim to bureaucratic efficiency. Years of workforce reductions and outsourcing have culled from NASA?s workforce the layers of experience and hands-on systems knowledge that once provided a capacity for safety oversight. Safety and Mission Assurance personnel have been eliminated, careers in safety have lost organizational prestige, and the Program now decides on its own how much safety and engineering oversight it needs. Aiming to align its inspection regime with the International Organization for Standardization 9000/9001 protocol, commonly used in industrial environments – environments very different than the Shuttle Program – the Human Space Flight Program shifted from a comprehensive “oversight” inspection process to a more limited “insight” process, cutting mandatory inspection points by more than half and leaving even fewer workers to make “second” or “third” Shuttle systems checks (see Chapter 10)." 186: "The Board believes that although the Space Shuttle Program has effective safety practices at the “shop floor” level, its operational and systems safety program is flawed by its dependence on the Shuttle Program. Hindered by a cumbersome organizational structure, chronic understaffing, and poor management principles, the safety apparatus is not currently capable of fulfilling its mission. An independent safety structure would provide the Shuttle Program a more effective operational safety process. Crucial components of this structure include a comprehensive integration of safety across all the Shuttle programs and elements, and a more independent system of checks and balances." 190: "During the STS-113 Flight Readiness Review, the bipod foam strike to STS-112 was rationalized by simply restating earlier assessments of foam loss. The question of why bipod foam would detach and strike a Solid Rocket Booster spawned no further analysis or heightened curiosity; nor did anyone challenge the weakness of External Tank Project Manager?s argument that backed launching the next mission. After STS-113?s successful flight, once again the STS-112 foam event was not discussed at the STS-107 Flight Readiness Review. The failure to mention an outstanding technical anomaly, even if not technically a violation of NASA?s own procedures, desensitized the Shuttle Program to the dangers of foam striking the Thermal Protection System, and demonstrated just how easily the flight preparation process can be compromised. In short, the dangers of bipod foam got “rolled-up,” which resulted in a missed opportunity to make Shuttle managers aware that the Shuttle required, and did not yet have a fix for the problem. Once the Columbia foam strike was discovered, the Mission Management Team Chairperson asked for the rationale the STS-113 Flight Readiness Review used to launch in spite of the STS-112 foam strike. In her e-mail, she admitted that the analysis used to continue flying was, in a word, “lousy” (Chapter 6). This admission – that the rationale to fly was rubber-stamped – is, to say the least, unsettling." There's lots more but as you can see, NASA has a whole lot of reform to do. And that's going to require a big infusion of lots of new blood. -- Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. |
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![]() "Bruce Palmer" wrote in message ... Marshall Perrin spewed out: snip page 69: Figure 3.6-11 is probably the best graphic of the airflow within the wing I have seen yet. Poor Columbia... One of my pet peeves through all this has been how all the media continues to refer to the "hot gases" or "superheated air" that breached the wing. It was neither; it was _plasma_. Now on this page I see "... close enough to the breach for the gas plume to hit them ..." and "... showed that superheated air flowing into a breached ...." ---clip--- We had an extended discussion of this way, way, back there somewhere on this newsgroup. As I recall, the aerodynamicists (I don't remember if Widnall was on board at the CAIB yet) concluded that with shock and boundary effects, the gases which entered the breach would not have a large percentage of ionized molecules, and thus could not really be considered a "plasma". After a few early press releases from Adm. Gehman about "plasma blowtorches" and the like, everybody started referring to "superheated air" instead. I'll dig for the papers and notes if nobody else has the information at hand. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX |
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Heartbreak spewed out:
We had an extended discussion of this way, way, back there somewhere on this newsgroup. As I recall, the aerodynamicists (I don't remember if Widnall was on board at the CAIB yet) concluded that with shock and boundary effects, the gases which entered the breach would not have a large percentage of ionized molecules, and thus could not really be considered a "plasma". After a few early press releases from Adm. Gehman about "plasma blowtorches" and the like, everybody started referring to "superheated air" instead. I'll dig for the papers and notes if nobody else has the information at hand. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX I must have missed that. If true then I'll feel somewhat better. It seems to me that any air or gas plume would have to consist of what otherwise would be the molecules that make up the aerodynamic pressure on the vehicle surfaces. Ah, well, I could be wrong. I'm also leaving tomorrow on a trip that won't bring me home until Sunday night. I doubt I'll have time to do much Google research between now and then. I'll resist the urge to spew at this point. -- bp Proud Member of the Human O-Ring Society Since 2003 |
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"Heartbreak" wrote: "Bruce Palmer" wrote in message ... Marshall Perrin spewed out: snip page 69: Figure 3.6-11 is probably the best graphic of the airflow within the wing I have seen yet. Poor Columbia... One of my pet peeves through all this has been how all the media continues to refer to the "hot gases" or "superheated air" that breached the wing. It was neither; it was _plasma_. Now on this page I see "... close enough to the breach for the gas plume to hit them ..." and "... showed that superheated air flowing into a breached ..." ---clip--- We had an extended discussion of this way, way, back there somewhere on this newsgroup. As I recall, the aerodynamicists (I don't remember if Widnall was on board at the CAIB yet) concluded that with shock and boundary effects, the gases which entered the breach would not have a large percentage of ionized molecules, and thus could not really be considered a "plasma". After a few early press releases from Adm. Gehman about "plasma blowtorches" and the like, everybody started referring to "superheated air" instead. I'll dig for the papers and notes if nobody else has the information at hand. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX Well, not only that, but any plasma entering the breach probably reacted with the materials in the wing in a whole slew of cascading secondary chemical (i.e., oxidation) and physical reactions (i.e., phase changes: solid - liquid - gaseous - condensing back to liquid and then solid over time). All this would render the phase of the matter entering the wing as mixed plasma and gas anyway, all of which would contain increasing amounts of wing materials mixed and in suspension, entrained with the flow, further confusing the situation. All in all, I think sticking with terms like "superheated air", "gas" and so forth for Volume I of the public report is a good idea. Let us space geeks argue the semantics; I can wait to debate the actual composition of the flow inside the wing structure (if such is ever necessary) until after I have the subsequent technical volumes. -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer "Heisenberg might have been here." ~ Anonymous |
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Herb Schaltegger wrote:
Well, not only that, but any plasma entering the breach probably reacted with the materials in the wing in a whole slew of cascading secondary chemical (i.e., oxidation) and physical reactions (i.e., phase changes: solid - liquid - gaseous - condensing back to liquid and then solid over time). All this would render the phase of the matter entering the wing as mixed plasma and gas anyway, all of which would contain increasing amounts of wing materials mixed and in suspension, entrained with the flow, further confusing the situation. Herb, even the gas at the hottest point the shock is still only weakly ionized. The reentry 'plasma' is still overwhelmingly composed of neutral atoms and molecules. The gas inside the wing *would* have been contaminated with aluminum vapor, though, and that would contribute substantially to the electron density at a temperature at which ordinary air would have very low ionization. Paul |
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jeff findley wrote in message ...
"Steven D. Litvintchouk" writes: There's lots more but as you can see, NASA has a whole lot of reform to do. And that's going to require a big infusion of lots of new blood. New, experienced blood. NASA has, in the past, attracted college graduates who've spent their entire career at NASA and have become fully assimilated into the NASA culture. They are, in fact, a great contributor to NASA culture. They're part of the source of arrogance. They see themselves as the best and brightest. Unfortunately, the best and brightest out of college does not necessarily make them the best and brightest for the remainder of their careers. Jeff Where will this new experienced blood come from? We make more lawyers than engineers these days. In my goings around in the aerospace field many ( dare I say most ) are ready for retirement. Perhaps we could look at other high-risk engineering fields. Gee we haven't built a new atomic power plant since 1978. We'll have to use ex-Navy types there. The biomedical engineering field is another where attention to detail is extremely important, but how does NASA and the aerospace community in general woo these people? They are quite used to important things like job security being more than a project's cancellation away. Automotive safety engineers might make good candidates. They are used to job insecurity! But then Detroit's track record of compromising safety for economics is infamous. Maybe the best place to look for experienced types is in the armed forces themselves. Both the USAF and the USN have greatly improved flying safety over the past 40 years without diminishing operational capability. During this time the military even added risky things like Red-Flag and Top-Gun. Yet the accident rate went down. We last had a major loss of nuclear vessel in 1968, so I would say the submarine forces are doing something right. The sub forces themselves were shaped by Hyman Rickover. He had immense control over the entire operation for a very long time and today's sub forces are the living legacy of Rickover. Perhaps the legacy of bull-nosed guys like Chris Kraft and Gene Kranz has worn off. They were NASA'S Rickovers. Gene |
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![]() "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... (Gene DiGennaro) wrote: Perhaps the legacy of bull-nosed guys like Chris Kraft and Gene Kranz has worn off. They were NASA'S Rickovers. Let's hope not. Rickover did as much harm as good. Please expand. |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
"Richard Henry" wrote: "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... (Gene DiGennaro) wrote: Perhaps the legacy of bull-nosed guys like Chris Kraft and Gene Kranz has worn off. They were NASA'S Rickovers. Let's hope not. Rickover did as much harm as good. Please expand. He repeatedly attempted to gain control over submarine specification and design, something he was not qualified to do. He repeatedly promised advances reactors, which he did not supply, while stifling research with the other hand. He repeatedly tried to gain control over submarine operations, which was decidely outside both his purview and experience. He repeatedly attempted to change propulsion designs from the proven scheme (reduction geared turbines) to more advanced schemes (none of which ever performed well in service). The need to politically pacify him warped the designs of both the 688 and 726 classes. D. True, Rickover kept a stranglehold on nuclear submarine development, so much so that ripples still run through the community. Only now is the operational side starting to get more attention and funding than the engineering group. Still, the legacy of Rickover continues...a commanding officer needs an outstanding reactor examination if he expects to make O6. At NASA, however, the Kraft/Kranz legacy was lost in the 80's (or earlier). So, I don't think you can draw a comparison with Rickover. |
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