the space president?

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:09:48 -0800, "3n@L" wrote:

Bush will only support a Space Program is there's a way for him and his pals
to make money on it.

So what? The desire to make money is a GREAT motivating factor.
(If it weren't, none of us would work for a living...)

Len Lekx ) wrote:
: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:09:48 -0800, "3n@L" wrote:

: Bush will only support a Space Program is there's a way for him and his pals
: to make money on it.

: So what? The desire to make money is a GREAT motivating factor.
: (If it weren't, none of us would work for a living...)

The government should NOT be in the business of making a profit. THAT is
for corporations and businesses. Trying to make the government, that
controls the courts and laws, into a huge corporation is the first step to
communism.

Eric

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:08:00 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote:

: So what? The desire to make money is a GREAT motivating factor.
: (If it weren't, none of us would work for a living...)
The government should NOT be in the business of making a profit. THAT is
for corporations and businesses. Trying to make the government, that

True enough. Governments should get out of the way, and let the
REST of us get on with the business of opening up space. :-)

Len Lekx ) wrote:
: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:08:00 +0000 (UTC),
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:

: : So what? The desire to make money is a GREAT motivating factor.
: : (If it weren't, none of us would work for a living...)
: The government should NOT be in the business of making a profit. THAT is
: for corporations and businesses. Trying to make the government, that

: True enough. Governments should get out of the way, and let the
: REST of us get on with the business of opening up space. :-)

What is stopping us? How is NASA hampering your's or anyone else's
efforts? Sounds like you are where you are and NASA has nothing to do with
it. Using NASA as an excuse won't get you closer to commercial
spaceflight.

Eric

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote:

: True enough. Governments should get out of the way, and let the
: REST of us get on with the business of opening up space. :-)
What is stopping us? How is NASA hampering your's or anyone else's
efforts? Sounds like you are where you are and NASA has nothing to do with

Recall the 1967 UN Treaties on International Liabilities, uses of
space resources, etc. which make it basically impossible for
governments to NOT be involved in space efforts. Since governments
are deemed liable for ANY damage caused by spacecraft
(government-owned or otherwise) they HAVE to be involved in any
space-related operations.

Len Lekx ) wrote:
: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC),
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:

: : True enough. Governments should get out of the way, and let the
: : REST of us get on with the business of opening up space. :-)
: What is stopping us? How is NASA hampering your's or anyone else's
: efforts? Sounds like you are where you are and NASA has nothing to do with

: Recall the 1967 UN Treaties on International Liabilities, uses of
: space resources, etc. which make it basically impossible for
: governments to NOT be involved in space efforts. Since governments
: are deemed liable for ANY damage caused by spacecraft
: (government-owned or otherwise) they HAVE to be involved in any
: space-related operations.

Okay, so what are you complaining about? I mean the FAA is a regulatory
body. Do you expect NOT to have an FAA-equivalent for commercial space?
Speaking of commercial space, is the progess hampered by the government or
technology and economics?

Eric

Heard of Yugoslavia?


Yes, precisely. You've made my point. The U.N. Blue helmets stood by while the
Serbs slaughtered hundreds of thousands. American Air power + Muslim insurgents
put a stop to it.

Tom

: Like Genocide in Somalia, "Yeah the UN army is there on the scene taking
care
: of it." Yeah right!

I bet if there was oil under the ground we'd be there.

Eric

We we're there! Under Clinton and a U.N. mandate and look what happened. Our
reasons for being there were purely humanitarian, even you can't dispute that,
and what did we get for our trouble, some soldiers killed and some Somali
Warlords who thought they beat us! This event emboldened Usama Bin Laudin to
make his attack on the World Trade Center. This all comes from working through
the U.N., and elaborate trap for killing American Soldiers, who only came to
help!

Tom

On 03 Nov 2004 20:35:16 GMT, Tkalbfus1 wrote:

Heard of Yugoslavia?


Yes, precisely. You've made my point. The U.N. Blue helmets stood by
while the
Serbs slaughtered hundreds of thousands. American Air power + Muslim
insurgents
put a stop to it.

Tom

I was just as much european air power.
The US involvement in Jugoslavia was minimal.
That was a all NATO project.
It seems silly to give US the creadit since it was europeans the made the
initiative and carried most of the cost and material.
If NATO had not interviened the death tolls would have been even higher.
The main critisism would be that they acted too late.

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Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
liselotte podleski wrote:
Marshall isn't, though. Marshall is about the same age as Dryden, I
think. Older than NASA, both of them.

I think that Marshall was formed when NASA was formed since it was based
with the Redstone Arsenal where the Von Braun team was located when it was
working for the US Army.

Not exactly, and it depends on what you mean by "Marshall".

Von Braun's team at Redstone Arsenal considerably pre-dates NASA; even
disregarding the fact that the team had been together much earlier,
Redstone Arsenal was founded in 1950.

Marshall Space Flight Center, however, was not formed when NASA was
formed, because it took a while to sort out the transfer from the Army to
NASA. The transfer of the bulk of Redstone Arsenal's facilities and
people to NASA didn't take place until 1960.
--
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-- George Herbert |

per http://www.redstone.army.mil/history.../chronapr.html it was "founded"
in 1941, though by 1949 it was surplus and almost sold off.