Ponderances of Infinity

If God created the world, then who created God? Creationism implies there
was a beginning. The Big Bang theory also implies there was a beginning.
Is it possible that life cycles infinitely? That the big bang was the
beginning of the new universe, but it happened after the prior universe died
and evaporated (somehow)?

In mathematics, real numbers have no beginning or end... at each end they
only approach negative or positive "infinity". Cannot this universe then be
described in the same way? Everything in this universe seems to have a
definite design, but then, how do we really know we are here and not just
holograms? Or perhaps we are just proteins or parasites on a being of which
we can only see the galaxy, and the rest is "dark matter", matter which has
substance but emits light that cannot be seen....

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If God created the world, then who created God? Creationism implies there
was a beginning. The Big Bang theory also implies there was a beginning.
Is it possible that life cycles infinitely? That the big bang was the
beginning of the new universe, but it happened after the prior universe
died
and evaporated (somehow)?

In mathematics, real numbers have no beginning or end... at each end they
only approach negative or positive "infinity". Cannot this universe then
be
described in the same way? Everything in this universe seems to have a
definite design, but then, how do we really know we are here and not just
holograms? Or perhaps we are just proteins or parasites on a being of
which
we can only see the galaxy, and the rest is "dark matter", matter which
has
substance but emits light that cannot be seen....

Interesting questions, but simply there's no answer... and if someone says
he knows the answers be suspicios...

Luigi Caselli

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:21:57 GMT, "Luigi Caselli"
wrote:

In mathematics, real numbers have no beginning or end... at each end they
only approach negative or positive "infinity". Cannot this universe then
be
described in the same way?
Positive and negative `real' numbers both `start' at zero.

Everything in this universe seems to have a
definite design,

Do you really find that so? Or perhaps contrive a `design' of your own
design?

but then, how do we really know we are here and not just
holograms? Or perhaps we are just proteins or parasites on a being of
which
we can only see the galaxy, and the rest is "dark matter", matter which
has
substance but emits light that cannot be seen....

Interesting questions, but simply there's no answer... and if someone says
he knows the answers be suspicios...

Luigi Caselli

Well, Lou, why don't we just apply the tests we use on other things -
if we can see, hear, smell. taste, feel (touch, proprioception, pain),
ourselves, how can be conclude that we don't exist? What gets sleepy,
hungary, tired? What awakens? What activates our muscles? You have a
lot to explain away.
But enough of that, tell me more about this dark matter that emits
`light that can't be seen'? Do you perhaps mean its energy emissions
if any are not sensed directly by our meager sensory apparatus?

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:21:57 GMT, "Luigi Caselli"
wrote:

In mathematics, real numbers have no beginning or end... at each end
they
only approach negative or positive "infinity". Cannot this universe
then
be
described in the same way?
Positive and negative `real' numbers both `start' at zero.

Everything in this universe seems to have a
definite design,

Do you really find that so? Or perhaps contrive a `design' of your own
design?

I refer to the amazing things such as our fingerprints, our DNA (the very
fact that every cell in our body has the same data storage within the DNA,
and that the data is uniquely different for each person), the way cicadas
come out every 17 years, the way the proteins in our bodies work, the way
that ants work collectively, the list goes on.... we take a lot for
granted...


but then, how do we really know we are here and not just
holograms? Or perhaps we are just proteins or parasites on a being of
which
we can only see the galaxy, and the rest is "dark matter", matter which
has
substance but emits light that cannot be seen....

Interesting questions, but simply there's no answer... and if someone
says
he knows the answers be suspicios...

Luigi Caselli

Well, Lou, why don't we just apply the tests we use on other things -
if we can see, hear, smell. taste, feel (touch, proprioception, pain),
ourselves, how can be conclude that we don't exist? What gets sleepy,
hungary, tired? What awakens? What activates our muscles? You have a
lot to explain away.

"I think, therefore I am" -- yet, I could be thinking all this, and my brain
may be giving my body the feeling that I am typing away at this keyboard,
when it fact I'm plugged in somewhere, and my brain's thoughts and
"feelings" are all programmed in. Like in "The Matrix".

But enough of that, tell me more about this dark matter that emits
`light that can't be seen'? Do you perhaps mean its energy emissions
if any are not sensed directly by our meager sensory apparatus?

In the spectrum of light, there is visible light which is 400 - 700 nm, but
other wavelengths of light are not visible to our eyes. Such as infrared,
radio, uv, x-ray, gamma, etc... Perhaps the dark matter is emitting even
other frequencies (which are perhaps of a different dimension) which we
cannot detect with the equipment we currently have (is that possible?), so
we can't "see" it the way we can see the planets or stars, so we cannot
describe the nature of dark matter. It's like the blind men feeling their
way around an elephant and coming up with different explanations for what it
could be. (Correct me if I'm wrong here, obviously I don't claim to be an
expert, I'm just a post-bac student taking science courses who is very
excited about what I'm learning and I enter these conversations in order to
brainstorm different possibilities other than those already explained by the
science we know). I'm unsatisfied by what science cannot explain, so I
philosophize about the possibilities, then check with the scientific
community to see if it's possible. Idea generation may lead to creation of
new hypotheses which can be tested. I am more than happy to be completely
wrong about something, if you can say beyond a doubt that science has proven
these ideas to be completely wrong. I long for the days when people would
sit in a room with their pipes and come up with crazy ideas (out of every
500 ideas, there may be 1 that can be formed into a scientific hypotheses
and then tested?)...