DUGWAY PROVING GROUND, Utah

Genesis DUG-WAY down proving softer ground can take whatever JPL throws at
it!!


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Genesis DUG-WAY down proving softer ground can take whatever JPL throws at
it!!

I'm surprised the thing did so little damage, hardly looks like much of a
crater at all.

Something to consider:

Some folks seem to enjoy making jokes when someone else has a unfortunate
incident like this.

But from my point of view, it shows no class to laugh at a failure when the
challenges are so great and the environment so severe.

If one looks at the half full side of the cup, the thing almost made it and in
fact it did re-enter the atmosphere successfully and impacted at only about 200
mph. Given that a short while before it was traveling at about 18,000 mph
(with an KE of about 6.6 million Kilo-Joules), I think this is pretty
impressive.

I doubt very much whether you or I could take an equal amount of money, spend
it, and even get the thing to last 3 years in space...

Jon Isaacs

I'm surprised the thing did so little damage, hardly looks like much of a
crater at all.

Something to consider:

Some folks seem to enjoy making jokes when someone else has a unfortunate
incident like this.

But from my point of view, it shows no class to laugh at a failure when
the
challenges are so great and the environment so severe.

If one looks at the half full side of the cup, the thing almost made it
and in
fact it did re-enter the atmosphere successfully and impacted at only
about 200
mph. Given that a short while before it was traveling at about 18,000 mph
(with an KE of about 6.6 million Kilo-Joules), I think this is pretty
impressive.

I doubt very much whether you or I could take an equal amount of money,
spend
it, and even get the thing to last 3 years in space...

Jon Isaacs

Go back to school idiot!

Go back to school idiot!

OH, great comeback.................!! WOW, I'm impressed at your excellent
command of the English language.

Typical kind reply one would expect from someone that could probably use a
bit more education themselves.

You might try going to school, much less go back.

Hi Jon,

Jon Isaacs wrote:

Genesis DUG-WAY down proving softer ground can take whatever JPL throws at
it!!


I'm surprised the thing did so little damage, hardly looks like much of a
crater at all.

Something to consider:

Some folks seem to enjoy making jokes when someone else has a unfortunate
incident like this.

But from my point of view, it shows no class to laugh at a failure when the
challenges are so great and the environment so severe.

If one looks at the half full side of the cup, the thing almost made it and in
fact it did re-enter the atmosphere successfully and impacted at only about 200
mph. Given that a short while before it was traveling at about 18,000 mph
(with an KE of about 6.6 million Kilo-Joules), I think this is pretty
impressive.

I doubt very much whether you or I could take an equal amount of money, spend
it, and even get the thing to last 3 years in space...

Jon Isaacs

I agree 100%. The mission was very, very impressive. Things can go
wrong and will go wrong from time to time. Accidents happen.

Someone said "Those $200 million [or whatever] would be better spent
on the poor", which I think is complete nonsense. Some people seem
not to understand that $200 million would mean something like an extra
50 cents per year for those "poor" - great "help", I'd say. Even if
one of ten such mission succeeds, it's still worth the money. This
is dirt cheap, especially compared to some other government expenses.
If you look at it the other way, even "the poor" alone could finance
such a mission without even noticing the financial burden.

Regarding the jokes - it's not good laughing at somebody else's
problems. On the other hand, though, I don't see much wrong in a
good joke. The best I've heard so far was "NASA proves the law of
gravity" - I was feeling pretty bad because of the loss of Genesis,
but that made me feel better.

- Alex

Francis Marion wrote:
OH, great comeback.................!! WOW, I'm impressed at your excellent
command of the English language.

Typical kind reply one would expect from someone...

....with atm as the name portion of their e-mail address.

Known troll.

Brian Tung
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Regarding the jokes - it's not good laughing at somebody else's
problems. On the other hand, though, I don't see much wrong in a
good joke. The best I've heard so far was "NASA proves the law of
gravity" - I was feeling pretty bad because of the loss of Genesis,
but that made me feel better.

- Alex

Exactly!! Some people should really take things a lot less seriously.

Arguably the most important and critical part of the mission FAILED!
Personally,
I would have put a ground controlled firing mechanism in it either as
primary or secondary.
So what if it would have cost an extra 200,000 or even less!!

Regarding the jokes - it's not good laughing at somebody else's
problems.

On the other hand, though, I don't see much wrong in a
good joke.

Unfortunately it has been a long time since there have been any good jokes
posted in this newsgroup....

Used to be some pretty funny stuff here.

jon

TommyBoy wrote:

Regarding the jokes - it's not good laughing at somebody else's
problems. On the other hand, though, I don't see much wrong in a
good joke. The best I've heard so far was "NASA proves the law of
gravity" - I was feeling pretty bad because of the loss of Genesis,
but that made me feel better.

- Alex


Exactly!! Some people should really take things a lot less seriously.

Arguably the most important and critical part of the mission FAILED!
Personally,
I would have put a ground controlled firing mechanism in it either as
primary or secondary.
So what if it would have cost an extra 200,000 or even less!!

As far as I know, one of the things investigated was the batterry
triggering the explosive charges. I heard about some issues with this
battery in the earlier stages of the mission. If this proves to be the
problem, triggering from the ground would not help. Actually,
triggering from the ground maybe will make the things a bit more complex,
i.e. more things to go wrong (problems receiving the triggering signal,
problems with the antennae, extra weight, whatever).

Generally, I believe the NASA guys are doing great job. Look at
Cassini, look at the rovers, look at the other missions - those are
hugely complex machines and getting them to work even half the time
would be incredible achievement. I can joke about those engineers,
but I still maintain the deepest respect for their abilities.

NASA may sometimes run over budget, yes. But, come on, look at the
other government expenses. It is like complaining that a parakeet
eats too much, while providing extra food for a couple of elephants, :-)

- Alex

A rabbi and a priest were driving down the road.
A rabbit hops out in front of their vehicle and gets hit and dies.
The priest stops the car, runs out, digs into his pocket and opens up a
small vile and sprinkles it on the rabbit.
The rabbit comes back to life and takes off.
The priest returns to the vehicle. The rabbi says "oy, I know that we
are to study each other's religions, but I have never heard or have I
ever seen anything like that in my life. Is that the miracle of Holy
Water?" The priest digs back into his pocket and pulls out the vile.
"No, it's not Holy Water. It's hair restorer."

Groan.....g

Jon Isaacs wrote:

Unfortunately it has been a long time since there have been any good jokes
posted in this newsgroup....

Used to be some pretty funny stuff here.

jon