No Evidence Crew Survived -- Till When?

John Maxson wrote
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The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

The photo caption begins:

"Lower right-hand forward fuselage of the orbiter
Challenger ..."

Allegedly it was the *left-hand* forward fuselage which so
damagingly struck the water. My mind is open to heat, impact,
and crush damage at altitude. My book's conclusions (based
upon cause's different from NASA's) reopen the 'cabin' door.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

what's the link to those pictures please ?

Thanks

Lou


"Moe Blues" a écrit dans le message de
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In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

From Jesse Moore's 4:15 pm press briefing on 1/28/86:

"I regret that I have to report that based on very
preliminary searches of the ocean where the
Challenger impacted this morning, these searches
have *not* [his emphasis] revealed *any* [my
emphasis] evidence that the crew of Challenger
survived."

Survived until when? Moore did not say! Did anyone ask?

Over four and one-half hours had elapsed since the main
blast at the time of Moore's delayed press briefing. Surface
searches had been conducted by helicopter, plane, and sea.

Surely the large floating pieces of forward fuselage had been
examined by then. If they had been considered evidence of
crew survival until ocean impact, it seems logical that Moore
would have (or should have) mentioned that. He did not!

Jesus wept! You really are an idiot, aren't you? Does it occur to you
that *CONTEXT* of the quoted statement is in reference to finding any
SURVIVING (as in still alive) shuttle crew? Nitwit!


The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

Yeah, I guess having several tons of LOX and liquid hydrogen detonate
mere feet away, then fall miles to the ocean should result in no damage
whatever.

And you wonder why nobody ever takes your comments seriously?

Moe


--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

"Moe Blues" a écrit dans le message
de ...

Yeah, I guess having several tons of LOX and liquid hydrogen
detonate mere feet away, then fall miles to the ocean should
result in no damage whatever.

Lou Van Hille wrote
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what's the link to those pictures please ?

John Maxson wrote
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There are two. My son Dan has promised to place one
of them on a web page. (I don't know which one.)

Dan probably intends to show you the internal surface of
the recovered right-forward fuselage. He may not show
you NASA's view of the external surface (even though it
doesn't hold a candle to Av Week's view), so here it is:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/510552.asp?cp1=1

In any event, I imagine Daniel will appreciate the way Jay
Barbree has come so ebulliently to the aid of what I and
many others think about as NASA's illusion.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

"John Maxson" wrote in message
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Lou Van Hille wrote

what's the link to those pictures please ?

John Maxson wrote
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There are two. My son Daniel has promised to place one
of them on a web page. (I don't know which one.)

Daniel probably intends to show you the internal surface of
the recovered right-forward fuselage.

Please don't flatter yourself.

He may not show
you NASA's view of the external surface (even though it
doesn't hold a candle to Av Week's view), so here it is:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/510552.asp?cp1=1

You will see soon enough.

In any event, I imagine Daniel will appreciate the way Jay
Barbree has come so ebulliently to the aid of what I and
many others think about as NASA's illusion.

Jay Barbree, another conspirator exposed, or just a sort of goofy, yet
conscientious, old KSC reporter?

--

Daniel
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

"John Maxson" wrote in message
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In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

Damaged from a 100g-200g water impact or those blazing hot one pound IUS
guidance thrusters?

Dan probably intends to show you the internal surface of
the recovered right-forward fuselage. He may not show
you NASA's view of the external surface (even though it
doesn't hold a candle to Av Week's view), so here it is:

Here is a photograph showing portions of Challenger's rudder speed brakes
and body flap. Does anyone see a difference in the appearance of the debris
items?

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p75a.htm

Compare to:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/510552.asp?cp1=1

That will have to do for now.

--

Daniel
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

Your message is defamation and confusion, Mosley. Here's
mine: http://tinyurl.com/h874 .

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:39:21 -0500, Michael Gardner
wrote:

So, are you really saying the Barbree wrote this "to come to the aid of
what you think". That is what your sentence says. Perhaps he's just
rehashing old articles and it has nothing to do with you except you find
it convenient to use. Which is it?

...The fact that Maxson is quoting Barbree should be a prime
indication that he's totally lacking in credibility. As if his other
blatherings weren't sufficient as it were.

Just killfile the molesting sack of ****, please?

OM

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Check these pages for several pictures of the remains of the orbiter :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_OV.htm
and
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...s_OV_part2.htm

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm

This page for the remains of the External Tank :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_ET.htm


Lou







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John Maxson wrote
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The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

The photo caption begins:

"Lower right-hand forward fuselage of the orbiter
Challenger ..."

Allegedly it was the *left-hand* forward fuselage which so
damagingly struck the water. My mind is open to heat, impact,
and crush damage at altitude. My book's conclusions (based
upon cause's different from NASA's) reopen the 'cabin' door.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)



Lou Van Hille wrote
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Check these pages for several pictures of the remains of the orbiter :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_OV.htm
and

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...peres_OV_part2.
htm

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm

This page for the remains of the External Tank :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_ET.htm


Lou

"John Maxson" wrote in message
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Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

Lou Van Hille wrote
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This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm


On your favorites list? One of the pictures on this page shows a burned-out
hole in an SRB near the joint, and is labelled:

Le trou de la fuite

which altavista translates as

the hole of the escape.

"fuite" = "escape" but "fuite"=" leak" too

1) I did not make the site. It's a French site I found on the web and I find
the entire site quite impressive :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/
It's also one of my favorite and one of the most complete (and interesting)
fan-made site I've found

2) "Le trou de la fuite" would be translated by "the hole of the leak" (or
"the hole where the leak was"... or "the place in the SRB where the flame
made a hole though the metal" or however you would correctly say it in
english... Sorry for my grammar mistakes).


Lou




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"John Maxson" wrote in message
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Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

Lou Van Hille wrote
in message ...

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm


On your favorites list? One of the pictures on this page shows a
burned-out
hole in an SRB near the joint, and is labelled:

Le trou de la fuite

which altavista translates as

the hole of the escape.