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Old June 2nd 04, 07:06 AM
Jmountaintop
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I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme rate for no
apparent reason.

The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the cause,
and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact alone in the
universe.

Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know who
the scientists are who are propounding it?

Thanks,

Jeannie Call
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Old June 2nd 04, 12:46 PM
Henry Goodman
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"Jmountaintop" wrote in message
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I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the

dark matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme

rate for no
apparent reason.


I thought it was dark energy that is "driving the universe apart".
Dark matter keeps galaxies together.



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Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net

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Old June 2nd 04, 12:46 PM
Henry Goodman
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"Jmountaintop" wrote in message
...
I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the

dark matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme

rate for no
apparent reason.


I thought it was dark energy that is "driving the universe apart".
Dark matter keeps galaxies together.



--
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net

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Old June 2nd 04, 04:11 PM
Klaatu
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Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark
matter that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme
rate for no apparent reason.

The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the
cause, and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact
alone in the universe.

Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know
who the scientists are who are propounding it?

Thanks,

Jeannie Call


Dark Energy Tied to Human Origins
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_040531.html

"Among the most elusive and important questions in science are whether we're
alone and what the heck that strange stuff is that's pushing the universe
apart. Neither is likely to be answered anytime soon, yet each occupies
many great minds and together they drive billions of dollars in research
spending every year.

Now wouldn't it be really weird if these two seemingly unrelated questions
were intimately linked? Strange but possibly true, says Mario Livio, a
theorist at the Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI). ...."
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Old June 2nd 04, 04:11 PM
Klaatu
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Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark
matter that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme
rate for no apparent reason.

The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the
cause, and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact
alone in the universe.

Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know
who the scientists are who are propounding it?

Thanks,

Jeannie Call


Dark Energy Tied to Human Origins
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_040531.html

"Among the most elusive and important questions in science are whether we're
alone and what the heck that strange stuff is that's pushing the universe
apart. Neither is likely to be answered anytime soon, yet each occupies
many great minds and together they drive billions of dollars in research
spending every year.

Now wouldn't it be really weird if these two seemingly unrelated questions
were intimately linked? Strange but possibly true, says Mario Livio, a
theorist at the Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI). ...."
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Old June 3rd 04, 07:18 AM
Matt Giwer
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Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme rate for no
apparent reason.


The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the cause,
and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact alone in the
universe.


Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know who
the scientists are who are propounding it?


It is all of our damned, lamebrain theories causing the universe to
run away from us. Or it is Min. No one is quite sure at the moment.

--
Regardless of the article of faith among the ignorant the
charge a Christ killer towards Jews is almost totally
absent from Christian history, literature and rhetoric.
Amazing how such false claims become articles of faith.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3195
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Old June 3rd 04, 07:18 AM
Matt Giwer
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Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme rate for no
apparent reason.


The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the cause,
and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact alone in the
universe.


Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know who
the scientists are who are propounding it?


It is all of our damned, lamebrain theories causing the universe to
run away from us. Or it is Min. No one is quite sure at the moment.

--
Regardless of the article of faith among the ignorant the
charge a Christ killer towards Jews is almost totally
absent from Christian history, literature and rhetoric.
Amazing how such false claims become articles of faith.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3195
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Old June 3rd 04, 09:12 AM
Anthony Cerrato
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"Klaatu" wrote in message
...
Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It

said that the dark
matter that is driving the universe apart is increasing

now at an extreme
rate for no apparent reason.

The only reason that people can come up with is that

humans may be the
cause, and if so, as this is a singular event, then we

would be in fact
alone in the universe.

Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate

it and don't know
who the scientists are who are propounding it?

Thanks,

Jeannie Call


Dark Energy Tied to Human Origins

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_040531.html

"Among the most elusive and important questions in science

are whether we're
alone and what the heck that strange stuff is that's

pushing the universe
apart. Neither is likely to be answered anytime soon, yet

each occupies
many great minds and together they drive billions of

dollars in research
spending every year.

Now wouldn't it be really weird if these two seemingly

unrelated questions
were intimately linked? Strange but possibly true, says

Mario Livio, a
theorist at the Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI).

....."

Yes, that seems to be the reference the OP is referring to.
I think the OP is just a little confused about cause and
effect here (the article is a little too brief to be clear.)
All that Livio is saying is that we may only be able to
exist in this universe is because there are actually many
universes, each having different values for fundamental
variables, one of which is the amount of dark energy
(initially-and currently) present, and our universe has just
the right amount for the galaxies etc. to be able to form in
its allotted age--too much dark energy initially would have
pushed all matter far apart too quickly for the galaxies to
coalesce and stars, planets and life to thus form. Too
little dark energy, and all matter may have quickly
collapsed back to a singularity via gravity, before anything
much could form.

Actually, this is just a partial explanation of the
Anthropic Principle(s)--that, when there are many different
universes, a number of their fundamental physical constants
(e.g., speed of light, strengths of fundamental forces,
values for electron and other particle charges, and particle
masses) _may_ be different--for our universe, it happens
that all these constants are just right for the galaxies etc
to have evolved without precluding life. Thus, life is the
result, not the cause, of the universe having the properties
it had at the time of the Big Bang creation event. Of course
the fact that this particular universe, out of many, was
"life-friendly," may simply be an accident--if it had not
been "just right," we would never have developed to be able
to ask these questions (which is one of the statements of
the general Anthropic Principle.) ...tonyC


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Old June 3rd 04, 09:12 AM
Anthony Cerrato
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"Klaatu" wrote in message
...
Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It

said that the dark
matter that is driving the universe apart is increasing

now at an extreme
rate for no apparent reason.

The only reason that people can come up with is that

humans may be the
cause, and if so, as this is a singular event, then we

would be in fact
alone in the universe.

Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate

it and don't know
who the scientists are who are propounding it?

Thanks,

Jeannie Call


Dark Energy Tied to Human Origins

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_040531.html

"Among the most elusive and important questions in science

are whether we're
alone and what the heck that strange stuff is that's

pushing the universe
apart. Neither is likely to be answered anytime soon, yet

each occupies
many great minds and together they drive billions of

dollars in research
spending every year.

Now wouldn't it be really weird if these two seemingly

unrelated questions
were intimately linked? Strange but possibly true, says

Mario Livio, a
theorist at the Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI).

....."

Yes, that seems to be the reference the OP is referring to.
I think the OP is just a little confused about cause and
effect here (the article is a little too brief to be clear.)
All that Livio is saying is that we may only be able to
exist in this universe is because there are actually many
universes, each having different values for fundamental
variables, one of which is the amount of dark energy
(initially-and currently) present, and our universe has just
the right amount for the galaxies etc. to be able to form in
its allotted age--too much dark energy initially would have
pushed all matter far apart too quickly for the galaxies to
coalesce and stars, planets and life to thus form. Too
little dark energy, and all matter may have quickly
collapsed back to a singularity via gravity, before anything
much could form.

Actually, this is just a partial explanation of the
Anthropic Principle(s)--that, when there are many different
universes, a number of their fundamental physical constants
(e.g., speed of light, strengths of fundamental forces,
values for electron and other particle charges, and particle
masses) _may_ be different--for our universe, it happens
that all these constants are just right for the galaxies etc
to have evolved without precluding life. Thus, life is the
result, not the cause, of the universe having the properties
it had at the time of the Big Bang creation event. Of course
the fact that this particular universe, out of many, was
"life-friendly," may simply be an accident--if it had not
been "just right," we would never have developed to be able
to ask these questions (which is one of the statements of
the general Anthropic Principle.) ...tonyC


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Old June 3rd 04, 04:47 PM
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"Matt Giwer" wrote in message

om...
Jmountaintop wrote:

I read an article on Yahoo, but I cannot find it. It said that the dark

matter
that is driving the universe apart is increasing now at an extreme rate

for no
apparent reason.


The only reason that people can come up with is that humans may be the

cause,
and if so, as this is a singular event, then we would be in fact alone

in the
universe.


Does anyone know of this reference, as I cannot locate it and don't know

who
the scientists are who are propounding it?


It is all of our damned, lamebrain theories causing the universe to
run away from us. Or it is Min. No one is quite sure at the moment.


Mum's the word :-)


--
Regardless of the article of faith among the ignorant the
charge a Christ killer towards Jews is almost totally
absent from Christian history, literature and rhetoric.
Amazing how such false claims become articles of faith.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3195



 




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