Ion drive for aircraft imminent.

Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/n...ce/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:09:13 -0400, "Robert Clark"
wrote:

Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark


Post again when Chevy dealerships are selling flying cars.

Carbon nanotubes are the idiotic craze of the day, and are pretty much
useless so far. As electron or ion emitters, they quickly destroy
themselves.

And they still don't violate conservation of energy. Where is all the
zero-pollution power going to come from?



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/n...ce/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's hilarious, tying tiny nanotubes together with fancy knots.

The nanotech bubble popped roughly 10 years ago. I was involved with
academics and inventors and slimy VCs all hoping to cash in on the
upside of the Next Big Thing.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

In sci.physics Robert Clark wrote:
Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/n...ce/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, sure, nanotubes are going to revolutionize the world any day now,
just like fusion, a cure for the common cold, and peace in the Middle East.

BTW, the lack of commercial success for flying cars has nothing to do
with propulsion methods.


--
Jim Pennino

On 11/01/2016 11:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:09:13 -0400, "Robert Clark"
wrote:

Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark


Post again when Chevy dealerships are selling flying cars.

Carbon nanotubes are the idiotic craze of the day, and are pretty much
useless so far. As electron or ion emitters, they quickly destroy
themselves.

And they still don't violate conservation of energy. Where is all the
zero-pollution power going to come from?

There will be several plug-in prime movers available, initially you'll
have your choice of H2O hydrogen booster, Hendershot generator, or
zero-point reactor at product launch.

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 18:19:02 -0000, wrote:

In sci.physics Robert Clark wrote:
Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/n...ce/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, sure, nanotubes are going to revolutionize the world any day now,
just like fusion, a cure for the common cold, and peace in the Middle East.

BTW, the lack of commercial success for flying cars has nothing to do
with propulsion methods.


But propulsion does matter, in the sense that there is no affordable
way to make a flying car. Helicopters get terrible gas mileage.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

"Robert Clark" wrote in
:

Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles
analogous to the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published
Date: October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted
flying cars, and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now
does make possible the long desired flying cars.

The reason we don't have flying cars has nothing to do with the
method of propulsion. We've *had* flying cars for decades. And this
will do nothing to make them a) cheaper, b) easier to fly, or c)
safer when there are tens of millions of them in the air at once.

Note that if it works then all propeller
and rotor driven craft become obsolete.

Just like all propeller and rotor drive craft became obsolete when
jet engeins were invented. Sure.

Also, intermediate range
automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD craft,

Effectively, jet powered cars? Because it sounds like there will be
a high speed exhaust of _some_ kind behind the vehicle. Which makes
it . . . unlikely.

Plus, two orders of magnitude increase in thrust to weight from
current ion engines isn't even close to what a car needs.

so a
large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method.

The electricity has to come from _somewhere_.

As is usual, nearly universal, with all announcement of
revolutionary new technologies, this reads more like a prospectus
for investors than anything else. Which is to say, he wants to
invest a whole lof of other people's money into finding out if it
works.

If he really believed it would work, he'd invest his own money, and
keep _all_ the profits himself.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

In sci.physics John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 18:19:02 -0000, wrote:

snip

BTW, the lack of commercial success for flying cars has nothing to do
with propulsion methods.


But propulsion does matter, in the sense that there is no affordable
way to make a flying car. Helicopters get terrible gas mileage.

You do know helicopters spend a fair amount of time not traveling, don't
you, but that has nothing to do with flying cars.

The cost of the engine is a tiny fraction of the cost of developing,
certifying, manufacturing and marketing a flying car, or a flying
anything for that matter.

--
Jim Pennino

On 11/1/2016 10:09 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous
to the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying
cars, and we got 140 characters.

he is an idiot. flying cars are sub optimal airplanes, and he saw it in
a James Bond Movie,

the 140 character field on all cellphone calls, was set by the telcom
companies about 40 years ago

On 11/1/2016 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 18:19:02 -0000, wrote:

In sci.physics Robert Clark wrote:
Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:


BTW, the lack of commercial success for flying cars has nothing to do
with propulsion methods.


But propulsion does matter, in the sense that there is no affordable
way to make a flying car. Helicopters get terrible gas mileage.



how many pounds of thrust does it take to keep 4000 pounds up in the
air, stationary, and then gliding ?

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 14:27:51 -0400, bitrex
wrote:

On 11/01/2016 11:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:09:13 -0400, "Robert Clark"
wrote:

Nanotechnology makes possible an "ion drive" for air vehicles analogous to
the famous ion drive of NASA's deep space probes:

Carbon nanotubes for "Ionic Wind" Craft or "Ionocraft".
Clark R*
Department of Mathematics, Widener University, USA
Review Article
Volume 1 Issue 2 / Received Date: September 26, 2016 / Published Date:
October 20, 2016
Abstract
Peter Thiel of the Founders Fund once famously said, "We wanted flying cars,
and we got 140 characters."But nanotechnology now does make possible the
long desired flying cars. It's a different propulsion method though than
propellers or jets however. It's propulsion by electric fields known as
electrohydrodynamic propulsion (EHD). It works by ionizing air then using
electric fields to propel the charged air molecules rearward, thus producing
thrust. It's quite analogous to the famous space ion drive of NASA. EHD has
been known at least since the sixties. Its problem is, as with ion drive,
the thrust is so low. So far the EHD craft have not been able to lift both
themselves and their power supplies. The ones made so far leave the power
supply on the ground and connect to the craft through power cables. But the
equations of EHD suggest the thrust for the power required gets larger for
thinner ionizing wires. In fact if the wires are at the nanoscale then this
important thrust-to-power ratio can be a hundred times higher than for the
craft constructed so far. This would be enough to lift the craft and the
power supply. This research is to prove what the mathematics suggests. Note
that if it works then all propeller and rotor driven craft become obsolete.
Also, intermediate range automobile travel would be taken over by the EHD
craft, so a large proportion of carbon-emissions would be eliminated,
replaced by this zero-emission travel method. In regards to space
propulsion, since EHD is so similar to ion drive, using components at the
nanoscale may also work to improve the thrust of ion drive. This would be
important to shortening the flight times of spacecraft using such drives.
This is important not just for robotic spacecraft but also satellites that
use such ion drives to reach their final GEO destinations. As it is now, the
ion drives used have such low thrust it takes months for such satellites to
reach GEO, resulting in millions of dollars of lost revenue to the satellite
companies. Being able to increase the thrust of these drives would reduce
the flight time, and therefore reduce this lost revenue.
Keywords: Electrohydrodynamic propulsion; Carbon nanotubes; Nanowires; Ionic
wind; Ionocraft; Plasma drive
https://medwinpublishers.com/NNOA/vo...=23&issueId=63

Bob Clark


Post again when Chevy dealerships are selling flying cars.

Carbon nanotubes are the idiotic craze of the day, and are pretty much
useless so far. As electron or ion emitters, they quickly destroy
themselves.

And they still don't violate conservation of energy. Where is all the
zero-pollution power going to come from?

There will be several plug-in prime movers available, initially you'll
have your choice of H2O hydrogen booster, Hendershot generator, or
zero-point reactor at product launch.

I've been waiting for someone to start selling nano-technology
Hendershot generators. Sounds like a good business.