Faster than Light Motion?

Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." Biretta

What gives? Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

Double-A

On Sep 28, 12:19*pm, Double-A wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

*``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

Double-A

Could be more of that FTL quantum entanglement of aether stuff, giving
us the illusion of FTL.

Or, because aether and its gravity have always existed, there are no
actual speed limits other than the displacement of aether, and as far
as anyone knows, individual photons don't actually move.

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
wrote:

Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." Biretta

What gives? Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

Double-A

On Sep 28, 3:19*pm, Double-A wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

*``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

Double-A

Only Tachyons give a reason for faster than light,and they came and
went the first trillionth of a second at the start of BB. TreBert

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 09:07:23 -0700 (PDT), nartrof seven
wrote:

On Sep 29, 2:25*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/29/12 1:16 PM, Double-A wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:58 pm, HVAC wrote:
Use you ****ing head, AA. Nothing moves faster than light in our
universe. *This bull**** was going around like 15 years ago.

I am using my head. *Yours seems to be clamped in the vice of dogma!

Double-A

* *You like dogma--choose a religion. Science, or more correctly
* *scientific theory, is testable. Nothing has ever been observed
* *to travel or propagate faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

* *See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

Not until the Germans invented UFOs:

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
wrote:

Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." Biretta

What gives? Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

No, Double-A, this is just the *appearance* of superluminal speeds.
Only space itself can move (expand, contract) faster than lightspeed.

It's also possible that the jets are the movement of spatial foams. In
that case, it would be possible for them to move faster than light.
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On Sep 30, 12:06*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A





wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

No, Double-A, this is just the *appearance* of superluminal speeds.
Only space itself can move (expand, contract) faster than lightspeed.

It's also possible that the jets are the movement of spatial foams. In
that case, it would be possible for them to move faster than light.


Yes, Paine, maybe it's space itself that's going faster than light,
and the matter imbedded in it is along for the ride. Try to find an
explanation for it. Don't just try to explain every FTL observation
away.

Double-A

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
wrote:

On Sep 30, 12:06*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A





wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

No, Double-A, this is just the *appearance* of superluminal speeds.
Only space itself can move (expand, contract) faster than lightspeed.

It's also possible that the jets are the movement of spatial foams. In
that case, it would be possible for them to move faster than light.


Yes, Paine, maybe it's space itself that's going faster than light,
and the matter imbedded in it is along for the ride. Try to find an
explanation for it. Don't just try to explain every FTL observation
away.

Double-A

You know that I'm not big on the presently expanding space idea, but I
do think it's not implausible that space *can* expand and contract,
and that space can do so at FTL velocities. Scientists presently
accept that, on the large scale, space expands and the galaxies in it
are along for the ride. So it should not be too much of a stretch to
accept that the smaller-scale jets are spewings of spatial "material"
that go FTL, and that the matter within it is along for the ride.

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Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Love almost everything; you can only learn to love by loving."

On Sep 30, 1:47*pm, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Double-A





wrote:
On Sep 30, 12:06*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A

wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

No, Double-A, this is just the *appearance* of superluminal speeds.
Only space itself can move (expand, contract) faster than lightspeed.

It's also possible that the jets are the movement of spatial foams. In
that case, it would be possible for them to move faster than light.

Yes, Paine, maybe it's space itself that's going faster than light,
and the matter imbedded in it is along for the ride. *Try to find an
explanation for it. *Don't just try to explain every FTL observation
away.

Double-A

You know that I'm not big on the presently expanding space idea, but I
do think it's not implausible that space *can* expand and contract,
and that space can do so at FTL velocities. *Scientists presently
accept that, on the large scale, space expands and the galaxies in it
are along for the ride. *So it should not be too much of a stretch to
accept that the smaller-scale jets are spewings of spatial "material"
that go FTL, and that the matter within it is along for the ride.


I think this is expecially lkkely to happen in the vicinity of black
holes.

Double-A

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
wrote:

On Sep 30, 1:47*pm, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Double-A

wrote:
On Sep 30, 12:06*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Double-A

wrote:
Astronomers have been observing faster than light phenomena for a long
time now.

``We see almost a dozen clouds which appear to be moving out from the
galaxy's center at between four and six times the speed of light.
These are all located in a narrow jet of gas streaming out from the
region of the black hole at the galaxy's center," said Dr. John
Biretta
of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

But then they have to always try to explain them away.

``We believe this apparent speed translates into an actual velocity
just slightly below that of light
itself." *Biretta

What gives? *Are things really moving faster than light?

http://www.stsci.edu/ftp/science/m87/press.txt

No, Double-A, this is just the *appearance* of superluminal speeds.
Only space itself can move (expand, contract) faster than lightspeed.

It's also possible that the jets are the movement of spatial foams. In
that case, it would be possible for them to move faster than light.

Yes, Paine, maybe it's space itself that's going faster than light,
and the matter imbedded in it is along for the ride. *Try to find an
explanation for it. *Don't just try to explain every FTL observation
away.

Double-A

You know that I'm not big on the presently expanding space idea, but I
do think it's not implausible that space *can* expand and contract,
and that space can do so at FTL velocities. *Scientists presently
accept that, on the large scale, space expands and the galaxies in it
are along for the ride. *So it should not be too much of a stretch to
accept that the smaller-scale jets are spewings of spatial "material"
that go FTL, and that the matter within it is along for the ride.


I think this is expecially lkkely to happen in the vicinity of black
holes.

The "slingshot effect" taken to its highest limits?

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Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Love almost everything; you can only learn to love by loving."