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Misleading education:
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Heatengines.html "A necessary component of a heat engine, then, is that two temperatures are involved. At one stage the system is heated, at another it is cooled. In a full cycle of a heat engine, three things happen: 1. Heat is added. This is at a relatively high temperature, so the heat can be called QH. 2. Some of the energy from that input heat is used to perform work (W). 3. The rest of the heat is removed at a relatively cold temperature (QC)." The two temperatures are by no means "necessary". Consider the macroscopic contractile polymers designed by Dan Urry which, on adding acid (H+) to the system, contract and lift a weight: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp972167t J. Phys. Chem. B, 1997, 101 (51), pp 11007-11028, Dan W. Urry, "Physical Chemistry of Biological Free Energy Transduction As Demonstrated by Elastic Protein-Based Polymers" It is easy to show that the four-step isothermal reversible cycle: 1. The polymer is initially stretched. We add H+ to the system. 2. The polymers contracts and lifts a weight. 3. We remove the same amount of H+ from the system. 4. We stretch the polymer and restore the initial state of the system. VIOLATES THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. Pentcho Valev |
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Urry's polymers are chemical "springs" allowing one to manipulate the
force of contraction, thereby shifting the work production in favour of the violation of the second law. You acidify the system (increase the concentration of H+, the hydrogen ion) and the force of contraction increases - the "spring" vigorously contracts and lifts a relatively heavy weight, that is, does a lot of work for you: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp972167t J. Phys. Chem. B, 1997, 101 (51), pp 11007-11028, Dan W. Urry, Physical Chemistry of Biological Free Energy Transduction As Demonstrated by Elastic Protein-Based Polymers, p. 11025, fig. 16A Then you decrease the H+ concentration, the force of contraction decreases and the work you spend to stretch the "spring" and restore its initial (stretched) state is less than the work gained previously. So the net work gained from contraction and subsequent stretching is positive. Of course, the above balance does not take into account the work involved in acidifying and then basifying the system. Note that you GAIN work as you acidify the polymer-containing system by transfering H + to it, isothermally and reversibly, from a reservoir at higher H+ concentration, but then LOSE work as you move the same amount of H+ back to the reservoir. The behaviour of Urry's polymers - they absorb H + as they stretch and release H+ as they contract - is such that the net work gained from acidifying and subsequently basifying the polymer- containing system is positive again. Pentcho Valev wrote: Misleading education: http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Heatengines.html "A necessary component of a heat engine, then, is that two temperatures are involved. At one stage the system is heated, at another it is cooled. In a full cycle of a heat engine, three things happen: 1. Heat is added. This is at a relatively high temperature, so the heat can be called QH. 2. Some of the energy from that input heat is used to perform work (W). 3. The rest of the heat is removed at a relatively cold temperature (QC)." The two temperatures are by no means "necessary". Consider the macroscopic contractile polymers designed by Dan Urry which, on adding acid (H+) to the system, contract and lift a weight: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp972167t J. Phys. Chem. B, 1997, 101 (51), pp 11007-11028, Dan W. Urry, "Physical Chemistry of Biological Free Energy Transduction As Demonstrated by Elastic Protein-Based Polymers" It is easy to show that the four-step isothermal reversible cycle: 1. The polymer is initially stretched. We add H+ to the system. 2. The polymers contracts and lifts a weight. 3. We remove the same amount of H+ from the system. 4. We stretch the polymer and restore the initial state of the system. VIOLATES THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. Pentcho Valev |
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Carnot dealt with two reversible heat engines which DID NOT INTERACT.
In 1850 Clausius used NON-INTERACTING heat engines again: http://www.mdpi.org/lin/clausius/clausius.htm "Ueber die bewegende Kraft der Wärme", 1850, Rudolf Clausius: "If we now suppose that there are two substances of which the one can produce more work than the other by the transfer of a given amount of heat, or, what comes to the same thing, needs to transfer less heat from A to B to produce a given quantity of work, we may use these two substances alternately by producing work with one of them in the above process." Below I will try to show that, by replacing NON-INTERACTION with INTERACTION, one reaches the conclusion that the second law of thermodynamics is an absurdity, not a Law of Nature. NON-INTERACTION means that the work-producing force generated by the first engine ("substance"), F1, is independent of the displacement, X2, in the second engine ("substance"), and vice versa. F1 is presented as a function of X1 and X2 and the independency condition is expressed as the partial derivative dF1/dX2 being equal to zero ("partial" because X1 is kept constant): F1 = F1(X1, X2); F2 = F2(X1, X2) dF1/dX2 = dF2/dX1 = 0 where "d" is the partial derivative symbol. It can be shown that, if the two reversible heat engines DO INTERACT and the conditions are isothermal, the equation: dF1/dX2 = dF2/dX1 is a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics (Kelvin's version). Accordingly, if the partial derivatives dF1/dX2 and dF2/dX1 are not equal, heat CAN, cyclically and isothermally, be converted into work, in violation to the second law of thermodynamics. Consider, for instance, INTERACTING chemical "springs". There are two types of macroscopic contractile polymers which on acidification (decreasing the pH of the system) contract and can lift a weight: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp972167t J. Phys. Chem. B, 1997, 101 (51), pp 11007 - 11028, Dan W. Urry, "Physical Chemistry of Biological Free Energy Transduction As Demonstrated by Elastic Protein-Based Polymers" Polymers designed by Urry (U) absorb protons as their length, Lu, increases, whereas polymers designed by Katchalsky (K) release protons as their length, Lk, increases. (See discussion on p. 11020 in Urry's paper: "stretching causes an uptake of protons", for Urry's polymers, and "stretching causes the release of protons", for Katchalsky's polymers). Let us assume that two macroscopic polymers, one of each type (U and K) are suspended in the same system. At constant temperature, IF THE SECOND LAW IS TRUE, we must have (dFu / dLk)_Lu = (dFk / dLu)_Lk where Fu0 and Fk0 are work-producing forces of contraction. The values of the partial derivatives (dFu/dLk)_Lu and (dFk/dLu)_Lk can be assessed from experimental results reported on p. 11020 in Urry's paper. As K is being stretched (Lk increases), it releases protons, the pH decreases and, accordingly, Fu must increase. Therefore, (dFu/ dLk)_Lu is positive. In contrast, as U is being stretched (Lu increases), it absorbs protons, the pH increases and Fk must decrease. Therefore, (dFk/dLu)_Lk is negative. One partial derivative is positive, the other negative: this proves that the second law of thermodynamics is false. Pentcho Valev |
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On Feb 6, 12:08*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Carnot dealt with two reversible heat engines which DID NOT INTERACT. In 1850 Clausius used NON-INTERACTING heat engines again: http://www.mdpi.org/lin/clausius/clausius.htm "Ueber die bewegende Kraft der Wärme", 1850, Rudolf Clausius: "If we now suppose that there are two substances of which the one can produce more work than the other by the transfer of a given amount of heat, or, what comes to the same thing, needs to transfer less heat from A to B to produce a given quantity of work, we may use these two substances alternately by producing work with one of them in the above process." Below I will try to show that, by replacing NON-INTERACTION with INTERACTION, one reaches the conclusion that the second law of thermodynamics is an absurdity, not a Law of Nature. NON-INTERACTION means that the work-producing force generated by the first engine ("substance"), F1, is independent of the displacement, X2, in the second engine ("substance"), and vice versa. F1 is presented as a function of X1 and X2 and the independency condition is expressed as the partial derivative dF1/dX2 being equal to zero ("partial" because X1 is kept constant): F1 = F1(X1, X2); F2 = F2(X1, X2) dF1/dX2 = dF2/dX1 = 0 where "d" is the partial derivative symbol. It can be shown that, if the two reversible heat engines DO INTERACT and the conditions are isothermal, the equation: dF1/dX2 = dF2/dX1 is a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics (Kelvin's version). Accordingly, if the partial derivatives dF1/dX2 and dF2/dX1 are not equal, heat CAN, cyclically and isothermally, be converted into work, in violation to the second law of thermodynamics. Consider, for instance, INTERACTING chemical "springs". There are two types of macroscopic contractile polymers which on acidification (decreasing the pH of the system) contract and can lift a weight: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp972167t J. Phys. Chem. B, 1997, 101 (51), pp 11007 - 11028, Dan W. Urry, "Physical Chemistry of Biological Free Energy Transduction As Demonstrated by Elastic Protein-Based Polymers" Polymers designed by Urry (U) absorb protons as their length, Lu, increases, whereas polymers designed by Katchalsky (K) release protons as their length, Lk, increases. (See discussion on p. 11020 in Urry's paper: "stretching causes an uptake of protons", for Urry's polymers, and "stretching causes the release of protons", for Katchalsky's polymers). Let us assume that two macroscopic polymers, one of each type (U and K) are suspended in the same system. At constant temperature, IF THE SECOND LAW IS TRUE, we must have (dFu / dLk)_Lu = (dFk / dLu)_Lk where Fu0 and Fk0 are work-producing forces of contraction. The values of the partial derivatives (dFu/dLk)_Lu and (dFk/dLu)_Lk can be assessed from experimental results reported on p. 11020 in Urry's paper. As K is being stretched (Lk increases), it releases protons, the pH decreases and, accordingly, Fu must increase. Therefore, (dFu/ dLk)_Lu is positive. In contrast, as U is being stretched (Lu increases), it absorbs protons, the pH increases and Fk must decrease. Therefore, (dFk/dLu)_Lk is negative. One partial derivative is positive, the other negative: this proves that the second law of thermodynamics is false. Pentcho Valev Idiot |
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Consider the "somewhat mysterious" pressure emerging between and
PUSHING APART the plates of a constant-charge capacitor immersed in water: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-E.../dp/0763738271 Introduction to Electromagnetic Theory: A Modern Perspective, Tai Chow, p. 267: "Calculations of the forces between charged conductors immersed in a liquid dielectric always show that the force is reduced by the factor K. There is a tendency to think of this as representing a reduction in the electrical forces between the charges on the conductors, as though Coulomb's law for the interaction of two charges should have the dielectric constant included in its denominator. This is incorrect, however. The strictly electric forces between charges on the conductors are not influenced by the presence of the dielectric medium. The medium is polarized, however, and the interaction of the electric field with the polarized medium results in an INCREASED FLUID PRESSURE ON THE CONDUCTORS that reduces the net forces acting on them." http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Elec.../dp/0486439240 Classical Electricity and Magnetism: Second Edition (Dover Books on Physics), Wolfgang K. H. Panofsky, Melba Phillips, p. 114: "This means that if a system maintained at constant charge is totally surrounded by a dielectric liquid all mechanical forces will drop in the ratio 1/ k. A factor 1/k is frequently included in the expression for Coulomb's law to indicate this decrease in force. The physical significance of this reduction of force, which is required by energy considerations, is often somewhat mysterious. It is difficult to see on the basis of a field theory why the interaction between two charges should be dependent upon the nature or condition of the intervening material, and therefore the inclusion of an extra factor 1/k in Coulomb's law lacks a physical explanation." p.115: "Therefore the decrease in force... cannot be explained by electrical forces alone." pp.115-116: "Thus the decrease in force that is experienced between two charges when they are immersed in a dielectric liquid can be understood only by considering the effect of the pressure of the liquid on the charges themselves. In accordance with the philosophy of the action-at-a- distance theory, no change in the purely electrical interaction between the charges takes place." Common sense forces one to conclude that, if the mysterious pressure pushes the plates apart, then it will constantly pump water through a small hole punched in one of the plates. But the constant flow through the hole can in principle be harnessed to do work and so the second law of thermodynamis is violated. Could common sense be misleading in this case? Pentcho Valev |
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