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The Times (of London) is asking its readers: Is Light Pollution just
another environmental fad? Please, keep your contributions short and to the point and send them to : quoting their article on the Tuesday October 7 edition where their science correspondent Mark Henderson considers the report of the Inquiry on'Light Pollution and Astronomy' compiled by the Science and Technology Select Committee of the House of Commons, UK Parliament. This report can be accessed at: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmsctech/747/74702.htm Pierre |
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![]() "Pierre" ha scritto nel messaggio om... The Times (of London) is asking its readers: Is Light Pollution just another environmental fad? Please, keep your contributions short and to the point and send them to : quoting their article on the Tuesday October 7 edition where their science correspondent Mark Henderson considers the report of the Inquiry on'Light Pollution and Astronomy' compiled by the Science and Technology Select Committee of the House of Commons, UK Parliament. This report can be accessed at: http://www.publications.parliament.u...sctech/747/747 02.htm Pierre Go on our webpages http://www.cielobuio.org and pick some pictures from the gallery Mostri del cielo (Sky monsters). Clean and dark skies, -- Beta Persei 45° 35' N 08° 51' E |
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"Elysium Fossa" wrote in
: Most of the light from street lights go into the sky, rather than lighting the streets, its like trying to heat you home in winter with all the doors and windows open , a terrible waste of energy......hardly an environmental fad. But I wouldn't take much notice of anything in the Times. I don't know about "most" of if, but a significant percentage of it does. Bryan |
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In message , PrisNo6
writes This was really an enjoyable legislative committee report looking at light pollution. I wish we had something like this in America. I suspect that you do, but it is mostly on a state by state basis rather than by a national policy group. Zion canyon, Utah has some of the best sky friendly lighting that I have ever seen. And professional US optical observatories are also better served and protected by your lawmakers. Buried in one of the sections was a reference to the British Astronomical Association's testimony before the commission that just the governmental controlled highway lights in England emit .33 gigawatts (333 megawatts) straight up into the sky But it is a bit worrying in a report from a scientific committee that the units of measurement are inconsistent. The phrase actually said "wasted light ... from street lights amounts to 0.33 of a gigawatt a year". (Sic.) It is unclear from this statement whether they mean a continuous loss of 0.33 GW during the hours of darkness or a total loss of 0.33GJ in a year. There is a big difference between these two interpretations. A back of the envelope calculation suggests it is the former. That is a lot of wasted light! I found the lack of background quantitative data in the main report rather disheartening. It is so easy to latch onto the emotive issue that orange skies are bad, blame LPS lights and miss the wider picture. We actually need to get full cut off (FCO) shields retro fitted into existing low pressure sodium (LPS) units rather than have a wholesale replacement bean feast for the lighting industry. They are the only real winners if the report is adopted as it stands. The sop to astronomers is that they might just cut light pollution by about 20% which translates to about 0.2 visual magnitudes improvement in sky brightness. The downside is that HPS light is broadband and cannot be filtered out. We will have opted for perpetual artificial white moonlight. The light pollution committee sided with industry and concluded that it might not be possible to save any energy by upgrading the government highway lights (I could not figure why), Probably because the installed base of LPS lights are roughly 2x more energy efficient than the HPS lights that will replace them. HPS even in FCO fittings cannot make up for the intrinsically much higher luminous efficiency of the older lamps. Unfortunately LPS lamps are typically in very badly designed old luminaires and put up to 30% of their output straight up! Despite what the ILE in the UK says there is no reason why FCO luminaires for LPS lamps cannot be manufactured. They are used for street lighting in mainland Europe. And then you do get energy savings. The Times topic was titled "Light pollution: an environmental fad?" Certainly a loaded question but the article that contained this was more balanced than this single isolated phrase might suggest. I will wait to see what contributions to that debate are actually published. Maybe the debate title should be "Wasting our grandchildren's non-renewable resouces: fad or unrestrained gluttony?" I would suggest for a question loaded the other way: "Gratuitous waste and excessive consumption as a fashion statement?" Regards, -- Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown wrote in message ...
In message , PrisNo6 writes snip Thanks, Martin. Your informed comments gave me many insights into an area I do not know much about. Despite what the ILE in the UK says there is no reason why FCO luminaires for LPS lamps cannot be manufactured. They are used for street lighting in mainland Europe. And then you do get energy savings. My own impression in the U.S. is that politically the only way that light-pollution reduction could be "sold" to the non-astronomy public is on the grounds of increased energy efficiency. This assumes that the life-time replacement and electricty costs of FCO-LPS lamps for highway lighting is less than life-time costs of new lamps as existing ones wear out. |
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My own impression in the U.S. is that
politically the only way that light-pollution reduction could be "sold" to the non-astronomy public is on the grounds of increased energy efficiency. I'm a little encouraged as of late. For the first time since the disastrous explosion of mercury vapor lighting back in the sixties, I've noticed some awareness of intelligent lighting, as opposed to blatant QUANTITY of light. My little burg here in Iowa recently replaced the streetlights on the highway going through town, and replaced the old cobra head fixtures with very well shielded lights. (with no pressure from me, as I didn't know they were going to do it until the fixtures were bought and paid for.) Not long ago, no one in charge here would have even known that such fixtures existed. As the public sees the improvement in visibility, I feel an awareness will grow. I've sure been pointing it out to people! Marty |
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In message , PrisNo6
writes Martin Brown wrote in message ... In message , PrisNo6 writes snip Despite what the ILE in the UK says there is no reason why FCO luminaires for LPS lamps cannot be manufactured. They are used for street lighting in mainland Europe. And then you do get energy savings. My own impression in the U.S. is that politically the only way that light-pollution reduction could be "sold" to the non-astronomy public is on the grounds of increased energy efficiency. The US installed base being mostly mercury lights would tip the balance in favour of replacement. An HPS lamp is 2x and LPS lamp 4x more energy efficient. Either would make a significant contribution to energy saving. Couple that with the EPA environmental requirement to phase out non essential use of mercury and you have a pretty good case. This assumes that the life-time replacement and electricty costs of FCO-LPS lamps for highway lighting is less than life-time costs of new lamps as existing ones wear out. The MTBF for the lamps are different (HPS 30000h, LPS or mercury 20000h) .. So the critical thing becomes whether the lifetime energy savings outweigh the cost of changing the bulbs every 2 instead of 3 years. How much you pay the guy to change a light bulb is the key... In the UK at the moment we have a rather large ageing population of street lamps due for renewal. Highways agency is actually doing a fairly good job too. Most of the new replacements in sensitive rural areas are full cut off shielded now - definitely an improvement. Unfortunately the new HPS lamps in my village are only pseudo full cutoff. The lamp itself is shielded but a vast plastic bubble fresnel lens hangs down and scatters lots of light everywhere. Regards, -- Martin Brown |
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![]() My own impression in the U.S. is that politically the only way that light-pollution reduction could be "sold" to the non-astronomy public is on the grounds of increased energy efficiency. This assumes that the life-time replacement and electricty costs of FCO-LPS lamps for highway lighting is less than life-time costs of new lamps as existing ones wear out. The other route is an more attractive town. Shielded lighting is more attractive than unshielded lights. That's why some communities have passed light-pollution ordinances. It increases property values. A landscape architect friend is amazed that many people just don't realize how effective lighting can make a place more attractive. BTW He doesn't care about light pollution and is rather paranoid about safety. Vladimir |
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