39-day trip to Mars

On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 22, 7:15*am, William Mook wrote:



On Mar 19, 3:04*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 18, 6:24*pm, William Mook wrote:

On Mar 18, 3:10*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 17, 5:29*am, William Mook wrote:

On Mar 16, 6:05*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 16, 9:54*am, William Mook wrote:

It bears repeating, that we have the capability of creating a
satellite and launching it from Earth that navigates to 3 million km
from the sun. *These satellites hover above the sun and beam 40
billion watts and more of useable laser energy anywhere we like it in
the inner solar system. *This much collimated laser energy is
sufficient to retrieve 1.2 million tons per year from the asteroid
belt and deliver it safely to Earth orbit. *Its also sufficient to
loft 100 ton payloads from Earth to Mars and back at 1/3 gee in one to
three weeks depending on the position of the planets involved booting
off Earth and Mars with laser powered rockets and boosting between
worlds with laser light sails using methods first described by Bob
Forward.

This same technology can be deployed around nearby stars using staged
laser light sails. *Once counter-propagating laser beams are
established around distant stars, regular transport between those star
systems at 1/3 gee is possible.

How about getting China or India on your side? (obviously nothing
American gives a puck)

*~ BG

When I was a graduate student at the Ohio State University, Chen Wen-
Tsuen from National Tsinghua University. Chen was Dean of the College
of Electrical Engineering , National Chair of the Republic of China,
IEEE Fellow, IEEE Technical Achievement Award winner. *Chen regarded
Kraus very highly. *He visited Columbus, Ohio when John Kraus arranged
to give an award to Grote Reber, creator of the world's first Radio
Telescope.

Chen toured the OSU 'Big Ear' and hung out at Kraus' farm. *Chen was
enamoured of the achievements of Kraus who wrote Electromagnetics and
Antennas and Radio Astronomy - classic definitive volumes on these
subjects whose text was the core of the curriculum of many courses at
Tsinghua University.

During our extended visits I had the opportunity to 'brainstorm' with
Chen and we formed a friendship. *When he left Ohio I gave him a copy
of O'Neill's HIGH FRONTIER and a copy of NASA's Summer Study results
on Space Colonization. *Something I prized highly and felt would be
useful to him. *He eagerly accepted them, and actually used them to
teach a few courses in advanced engineering at Tsinghua.

http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/C...x.htmlhttp://v...

So, I think the ideas are out there, and gestating. *The Chinese, like
the Americans, have to process the opportunities and understand fully
their importance and utility. *Engineering leadership in this field
hasn't done well. *It seems that the very moment of their greatest
achievement, the greatest proponents of real progress in space are cut
down. *Which is unfortunate. *Leo Szilard, JFK, Krolev, vonBraun,
O'Neill all could have done far more than they did, but were hobbled
by bureaucratic concerns or died at the moment of their greatest
power.

Someone or more likely, several people, in China and India, Pakistan
or Iran are reading and re-reading the studies and technical documents
available to them regarding space travel, and using their own skills
and knowledge and contributing their own idea. *These people will
emerge and lead their nation and the world into a new age- barring any
unfortunate misfortune.

We'll likely accuse them of having WMD and hiding OBL, giving us
enough false justifications to nuke them, supposedly before they nuke
us.

Meanwhile, even though we really can't afford squat, it seems we're
planning on putting our biggest and best WMD (meaning nukes) into LEO.

At the bankrupt and anything but failsafe rate we're going, and with
nothing of any real energy technology breakthroughs making us any
better off or even as good as anyone else, it seems going with China
or India can't be half bad.

India just gave their fly-by-rocket and related technology wizards a
38% boost in public funding, not to mention whatever private industry
that's going to slide their way. *Our public finding of NASA and DARPA
isn't hardly covering their annual COL and retirement perks.

*~ BG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZ7Cpnq-Gw

I like the verse below - it says a lot, and how intense personal
relationships trump the larger things that are happening in the world-

i was thrown before the court of canes
tossed my soul to the furnace flames
where all my heros had been slain, exiled, or put in prison

because they rose above the mess
and because their power posed a threat
and because they spoke of something else
when everybody else didn't

the music fills the space between
the deities and the prophecies
of our bodies pressed endlessly
silent in the sand

she looks at me so fearlessly
and i take it all too seriously
but it all becomes so clear to me
and makes me understand

So you understand that we're being systematically screwed over, but it
seems your quality of life is sufficiently protected and otherwise
prepared to live with this form of anti-technology domination that's
enforced by those of Big Energy and their puppets in public office.

I'm not sure that's a good plan, unless you plan on out-living most
everyone that's getting in your way.

How about your going directly to Steven Chu and our DoE with at least
one of your best thought-out and prototyped plans of providing us with
your green hydrogen, plus offering whatever spare electrons that can
help feed our inadequate national power grids at the least possible
cost?

With a relatively cheap supply of Mook hydrogen that most everyone
could use, or even hydrogen peroxide that's also in high global
demand, what could possibly go wrong?

*~ BG

Your quality of life is determined by the quality of the people in it,
not the quality of things. * So, yeah, I have a very good quality of
life. *Who plans to die? *I don't.

You and those immortal seans must get along quite nicely.

So, why can't you directly chat or at least remote think-tank with
Steven Chu?

Should I make an introduction on your behalf?

*~ BG

I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.

On Mar 29, 10:25*am, William Mook wrote:
On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:



On Mar 22, 7:15*am, William Mook wrote:

On Mar 19, 3:04*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 18, 6:24*pm, William Mook wrote:

On Mar 18, 3:10*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 17, 5:29*am, William Mook wrote:

On Mar 16, 6:05*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 16, 9:54*am, William Mook wrote:

It bears repeating, that we have the capability of creating a
satellite and launching it from Earth that navigates to 3 million km
from the sun. *These satellites hover above the sun and beam 40
billion watts and more of useable laser energy anywhere we like it in
the inner solar system. *This much collimated laser energy is
sufficient to retrieve 1.2 million tons per year from the asteroid
belt and deliver it safely to Earth orbit. *Its also sufficient to
loft 100 ton payloads from Earth to Mars and back at 1/3 gee in one to
three weeks depending on the position of the planets involved booting
off Earth and Mars with laser powered rockets and boosting between
worlds with laser light sails using methods first described by Bob
Forward.

This same technology can be deployed around nearby stars using staged
laser light sails. *Once counter-propagating laser beams are
established around distant stars, regular transport between those star
systems at 1/3 gee is possible.

How about getting China or India on your side? (obviously nothing
American gives a puck)

*~ BG

When I was a graduate student at the Ohio State University, Chen Wen-
Tsuen from National Tsinghua University. Chen was Dean of the College
of Electrical Engineering , National Chair of the Republic of China,
IEEE Fellow, IEEE Technical Achievement Award winner. *Chen regarded
Kraus very highly. *He visited Columbus, Ohio when John Kraus arranged
to give an award to Grote Reber, creator of the world's first Radio
Telescope.

Chen toured the OSU 'Big Ear' and hung out at Kraus' farm. *Chen was
enamoured of the achievements of Kraus who wrote Electromagnetics and
Antennas and Radio Astronomy - classic definitive volumes on these
subjects whose text was the core of the curriculum of many courses at
Tsinghua University.

During our extended visits I had the opportunity to 'brainstorm' with
Chen and we formed a friendship. *When he left Ohio I gave him a copy
of O'Neill's HIGH FRONTIER and a copy of NASA's Summer Study results
on Space Colonization. *Something I prized highly and felt would be
useful to him. *He eagerly accepted them, and actually used them to
teach a few courses in advanced engineering at Tsinghua.

http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/C...x.htmlhttp://v...

So, I think the ideas are out there, and gestating. *The Chinese, like
the Americans, have to process the opportunities and understand fully
their importance and utility. *Engineering leadership in this field
hasn't done well. *It seems that the very moment of their greatest
achievement, the greatest proponents of real progress in space are cut
down. *Which is unfortunate. *Leo Szilard, JFK, Krolev, vonBraun,
O'Neill all could have done far more than they did, but were hobbled
by bureaucratic concerns or died at the moment of their greatest
power.

Someone or more likely, several people, in China and India, Pakistan
or Iran are reading and re-reading the studies and technical documents
available to them regarding space travel, and using their own skills
and knowledge and contributing their own idea. *These people will
emerge and lead their nation and the world into a new age- barring any
unfortunate misfortune.

We'll likely accuse them of having WMD and hiding OBL, giving us
enough false justifications to nuke them, supposedly before they nuke
us.

Meanwhile, even though we really can't afford squat, it seems we're
planning on putting our biggest and best WMD (meaning nukes) into LEO.

At the bankrupt and anything but failsafe rate we're going, and with
nothing of any real energy technology breakthroughs making us any
better off or even as good as anyone else, it seems going with China
or India can't be half bad.

India just gave their fly-by-rocket and related technology wizards a
38% boost in public funding, not to mention whatever private industry
that's going to slide their way. *Our public finding of NASA and DARPA
isn't hardly covering their annual COL and retirement perks.

*~ BG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZ7Cpnq-Gw

I like the verse below - it says a lot, and how intense personal
relationships trump the larger things that are happening in the world-

i was thrown before the court of canes
tossed my soul to the furnace flames
where all my heros had been slain, exiled, or put in prison

because they rose above the mess
and because their power posed a threat
and because they spoke of something else
when everybody else didn't

the music fills the space between
the deities and the prophecies
of our bodies pressed endlessly
silent in the sand

she looks at me so fearlessly
and i take it all too seriously
but it all becomes so clear to me
and makes me understand

So you understand that we're being systematically screwed over, but it
seems your quality of life is sufficiently protected and otherwise
prepared to live with this form of anti-technology domination that's
enforced by those of Big Energy and their puppets in public office.

I'm not sure that's a good plan, unless you plan on out-living most
everyone that's getting in your way.

How about your going directly to Steven Chu and our DoE with at least
one of your best thought-out and prototyped plans of providing us with
your green hydrogen, plus offering whatever spare electrons that can
help feed our inadequate national power grids at the least possible
cost?

With a relatively cheap supply of Mook hydrogen that most everyone
could use, or even hydrogen peroxide that's also in high global
demand, what could possibly go wrong?

*~ BG

Your quality of life is determined by the quality of the people in it,
not the quality of things. * So, yeah, I have a very good quality of
life. *Who plans to die? *I don't.

You and those immortal seans must get along quite nicely.

So, why can't you directly chat or at least remote think-tank with
Steven Chu?

Should I make an introduction on your behalf?

*~ BG

I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.

Then you have 10 years advantage on whatever I've contributed. So,
how many decades of unobstructed R&D and media hype does Mook require?

Why are you avoiding Steven Chu? (he reads as being a very nice and
intelligent sort of person that shouldn't have any problems
understanding what you have to sell, and he's even well connected to
the guy most in charge of our NASA, namely President BHO)

~ BG

On Mar 30, 4:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

In other words, you're either a Rothschild, Jewish or at least Semite
worthy.

What's your best alternative for getting us safely to/from Mars?

~ BG

On Mar 30, 8:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

I don't care how much Brad posts, I just wish he'd stop cock blocking
me.

On Mar 30, 2:49*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 30, 4:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:



William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

In other words, you're either a Rothschild, Jewish or at least Semite
worthy.

What's your best alternative for getting us safely to/from Mars?

*~ BG

In 1944 Stanislaw Ulam said he could build an engine that not only
could destroy downtown Chicago, but he could also build an engine that
could transport downtown Chicago safely to the surface of Mars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xeni/272457786/

An 8 million ton ship is quite capable of carrying 1 million people
and requires 3,000 tons of bombs. Fusion bombs, triggered by nuclear
triggers permits our current inventory of weapons grade fissile
material to support the operation of 10,000 such ships with a total of
10 billion berths throughout the solar system. At $0.50 per kg (the
price of steel in quantity) these ships cost $4 billion each so 10,000
cost $40 trillion - about 9 months worth of global production - and
equal to what we've spent on warfare in the 20th century.

On Mar 31, 2:40*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Mar 30, 8:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:



William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

I don't care how much Brad posts, I just wish he'd stop cock blocking
me.

You mean there's any other person or group on Usenet that'll bother to
openly support you as half or even a tenth as well as I have?

I've offered 50/50 matching funds for promoting some but not all of
your ideas. Has anyone else offered anything better than squat?

How much public support has Fred J. McCall offered, if he were in
charge?

~ BG

On Mar 31, 2:48*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Mar 30, 2:49*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



On Mar 30, 4:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:

William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

In other words, you're either a Rothschild, Jewish or at least Semite
worthy.

What's your best alternative for getting us safely to/from Mars?

*~ BG

In 1944 Stanislaw Ulam said he could build an engine that not only
could destroy downtown Chicago, but he could also build an engine that
could transport downtown Chicago safely to the surface of Mars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xeni/272457786/

An 8 million ton ship is quite capable of carrying 1 million people
and requires 3,000 tons of bombs. *Fusion bombs, triggered by nuclear
triggers permits our current inventory of weapons grade fissile
material to support the operation of 10,000 such ships with a total of
10 billion berths throughout the solar system. * At $0.50 per kg (the
price of steel in quantity) these ships cost $4 billion each so 10,000
cost $40 trillion - about 9 months worth of global production - and
equal to what we've spent on warfare in the 20th century.

According to "The Onion", Americans spent, wasted and/or having blown
roughly $14 trillion trying to look and act cool each year.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/rep...-to-loo,17125/

Btw; what's so great about Mars, other than currently there's not
another human or any other form of any soul upon that inert and mostly
cold planet?

~ BG

On Mar 31, 7:58*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 30, 8:40 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: William Mook wrote:
:
: :On Mar 23, 1:23 am, Brad Guth wrote:
:
: snip
:
: :
: :I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
: :have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
: :
:
: That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
: the better off we'll all be."
:
:
:I don't care how much Brad posts, I just wish he'd stop cock blocking
:me.
:

I didn't say YOU cared, Mookie. *I said that all of us would better
off if BOTH of you STFU.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn

Why are you devout Semites getting so poofed up and snotty over this
topic?

~ BG

On Mar 31, 8:45*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:48*pm, William Mook wrote:



On Mar 30, 2:49*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 30, 4:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:

William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

In other words, you're either a Rothschild, Jewish or at least Semite
worthy.

What's your best alternative for getting us safely to/from Mars?

*~ BG

In 1944 Stanislaw Ulam said he could build an engine that not only
could destroy downtown Chicago, but he could also build an engine that
could transport downtown Chicago safely to the surface of Mars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xeni/272457786/

An 8 million ton ship is quite capable of carrying 1 million people
and requires 3,000 tons of bombs. *Fusion bombs, triggered by nuclear
triggers permits our current inventory of weapons grade fissile
material to support the operation of 10,000 such ships with a total of
10 billion berths throughout the solar system. * At $0.50 per kg (the
price of steel in quantity) these ships cost $4 billion each so 10,000
cost $40 trillion - about 9 months worth of global production - and
equal to what we've spent on warfare in the 20th century.

According to "The Onion", Americans spent, wasted and/or having blown
roughly $14 trillion trying to look and act cool each year.
*http://www.theonion.com/articles/rep...nt-annually-on....

Btw; *what's so great about Mars, other than currently there's not
another human or any other form of any soul upon that inert and mostly
cold planet?

*~ BG

Robert Zubrin recounts the advantages of settling Mars with current
technology in his book CASE FOR MARS.

On Mar 31, 8:36*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:40*pm, William Mook wrote:



On Mar 30, 8:40*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:

William Mook wrote:

:On Mar 23, 1:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:

snip

:
:I have said for nearly 20 years now, and continue to say, the less you
:have to post in response to what I say, the better off we'll all be.
:

That thought can be simplified to "The less you post (either of you),
the better off we'll all be."

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

I don't care how much Brad posts, I just wish he'd stop cock blocking
me.

You mean there's any other person or group on Usenet that'll bother to
openly support you as half or even a tenth as well as I have?

I've offered 50/50 matching funds for promoting some but not all of
your ideas. *Has anyone else offered anything better than squat?

How much public support has Fred J. McCall offered, if he were in
charge?

*~ BG

Brad, if you would care to wire transfer any amount of money over
$100,000 into my bank account, I will match whatever actual money you
transfer in with my own money, and set up a company to develop MEMS
rocket engines, arrange a take-over of Boeing and all the rest.

Cheers
William