REPUBS should PAY if they kill Healthcare

In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...


But then Obama doubled it.


Snicker.

"Harold Burton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...


But then Obama doubled it.


Snicker.


Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from 8000 to 11,000.
A 35% rise in one short year.
http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/qui...req =1&time=9

But go ahead, try to blame Obama for the crash, and credit Bush for the
surge.
And continue 'snickering' at the length of the recession, if it makes you
feel
better.


Jonathan


s

As it is. Obama is always blameless. Everything that happens on Obama's
watch is Bush's fault. Never Obama's. Thats what dems belief.



"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Harold Burton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...


But then Obama doubled it.


Snicker.


Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from 8000 to 11,000.
A 35% rise in one short year.
http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/qui...req =1&time=9

But go ahead, try to blame Obama for the crash, and credit Bush for the
surge.
And continue 'snickering' at the length of the recession, if it makes you
feel
better.


Jonathan


s

On Mar 20, 1:06�am, "carl" wrote:
As it is. Obama is always blameless. Everything that happens on Obama's
watch is Bush's fault. Never Obama's. Thats what dems belief.

"Jonathan" wrote in message

...





"Harold Burton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...

But then Obama doubled it.

Snicker.

Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from �8000 to 11,000.

In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough they
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this healthcare
legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world that's
less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan

On Mar 20, 8:59*am, Neolibertarian wrote:
In article ,





*"Jonathan" wrote:
It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough they
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this healthcare
legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its *a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world that's
less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
* * * * * * * * * ---Ronald Reagan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Point 1:

The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.

Examination of Problem:

e.g. if it’s being perceived that the Dems are the source of our
problems, then the solution must spring from the Republican side – and
if perceived that the Republicans are the source of the problem, then
the solution lies on the Dem side.

Problem is IMO both sides may be together right as a constitutional
government or together wrong as a constitutional government at any
given time.

It’s the “One nation under God” of a Christian nation that I dispute
here.

Government has no right taxing its citizens in order to provide free
programs for the needy - this should be handled by the churches at the
local level, and it should be accomplished in order to lift those in
need out of their despair, into something that they can believe in.

Imagine that these kinds of programs are helping to perpetuate the
free market economy, for the 10% tithed, as well as whatever else is
currently being paid in taxes for R & D programs.

Yet Obama himself has said that the United States is no longer a
Christian nation!

Now, back to point 1:

“The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.”

IMO “fullness of time” means that every possible and conceivable angle
for interpreting the Constitution w.r.t. both Democrat and Republican
sides has been exercised up to this point ad nausium, mainly because
there is a Marxist/Leninist side being presented to us as an
“alternative” and therefore “disqualification” of any independent
representation or party that may offer itself as the better
alternative to interpreting our Constitution!

What is being played out with HR 3200 right before our very eyes is
the dismemberment of the U.S. Constitution via the “Slaughter” rule or
the ability to “deem” a bill as passed, even though the particulars of
the bill have not been voted on.

What is to stop this administration from “deeming” the wholesale
dismemberment of our society with things like immigration, which will
instantly naturalize millions of illegal aliens with the stroke of a
pen?


American

"Civilization has made the peasantry its pack animal. The bourgeoisie
in the long run only changed the form of the pack"

- Leon Trotsky 1879 - 1940

"carl" wrote in
ng.com:

As it is. Obama is always blameless. Everything that happens on
Obama's watch is Bush's fault. Never Obama's. Thats what dems belief.



"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Harold Burton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...


But then Obama doubled it.
What a laugh.

So if events of the first year in office belong to the sitting president
then you repug twits must blame Bush for 911 - right?

What a laugh you folks are - hippo's one and all.




Snicker.


Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from 8000 to 11,000.
A 35% rise in one short year.
http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/qui...uickchart.asp?
symb=djia&s
id=1643&o_symb=djia&freq=1&time=9

But go ahead, try to blame Obama for the crash, and credit Bush for
the surge.
And continue 'snickering' at the length of the recession, if it makes
you feel
better.


Jonathan


s










--
"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and the failures of
conservatives." - ETG

American wrote in
:

On Mar 20, 8:59*am, Neolibertarian wrote:
In article ,





*"Jonathan" wrote:
It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough
the
y
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this
healthcare legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with
prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its *a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world
that's less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
* * * * * * * * * ---Ronald Reagan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Point 1:

The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.

Examination of Problem:

e.g. if it’s being perceived that the Dems are the source of our
problems, then the solution must spring from the Republican side – and
if perceived that the Republicans are the source of the problem, then
the solution lies on the Dem side.

Problem is IMO both sides may be together right as a constitutional
government or together wrong as a constitutional government at any
given time.

It’s the “One nation under God” of a Christian nation that I dispute
here.

Government has no right taxing its citizens in order to provide free
programs for the needy - this should be handled by the churches at the
local level, and it should be accomplished in order to lift those in
need out of their despair, into something that they can believe in.

Imagine that these kinds of programs are helping to perpetuate the
free market economy, for the 10% tithed, as well as whatever else is
currently being paid in taxes for R & D programs.

Yet Obama himself has said that the United States is no longer a
Christian nation!

Now, back to point 1:

“The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.”

IMO “fullness of time” means that every possible and conceivable angle
for interpreting the Constitution w.r.t. both Democrat and Republican
sides has been exercised up to this point ad nausium, mainly because
there is a Marxist/Leninist side being presented to us as an
“alternative” and therefore “disqualification” of any independent
representation or party that may offer itself as the better
alternative to interpreting our Constitution!

What is being played out with HR 3200 right before our very eyes is
the dismemberment of the U.S. Constitution via the “Slaughter” rule or
the ability to “deem” a bill as passed, even though the particulars of
the bill have not been voted on.

What is to stop this administration from “deeming” the wholesale
dismemberment of our society with things like immigration, which will
instantly naturalize millions of illegal aliens with the stroke of a
pen?


American

"Civilization has made the peasantry its pack animal. The bourgeoisie
in the long run only changed the form of the pack"

- Leon Trotsky 1879 - 1940

What a laugh.

A good example of how stupid and dumbed down many of the Americans are
these days.

To believe Obama is a socialist is pure stupidity.

To think the House and Senate manuverings are unconstitutional is to not
know the same constitution you are so worried about.


What a laugh.


--
"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and the failures of
conservatives." - ETG

In article
,
American wrote:

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world that's
less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
* * * * * * * * * ---Ronald Reagan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Point 1:

The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain ³fullness of time², with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.

Republican and Democrat "ideologies" don't have anything to do with the
Constitution, silly.

Examination of Problem:

e.g. if it¹s being perceived that the Dems are the source of our
problems, then the solution must spring from the Republican side * and
if perceived that the Republicans are the source of the problem, then
the solution lies on the Dem side.

Seems all you describe above is a perception problem.

Perception isn't reality.

Problem is IMO both sides may be together right as a constitutional
government or together wrong as a constitutional government at any
given time.

They're merely politicians. They're YOUR problem--not the Constitution's.

In all actuality, the Constitution only requires that you vote every 10
years. And, of course, this "vote" includes everyone--whether or not We
the People happen to be Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians,
Communists, etc. Irrespective of some first Tuesday of November agreed
upon by the servants.

It¹s the ³One nation under God² of a Christian nation that I dispute
here.

You're not disputing anything--you're merely whining.

Government has no right taxing its citizens in order to provide free
programs for the needy - this should be handled by the churches at the
local level,

What should be "handled?"

and it should be accomplished in order to lift those in
need out of their despair, into something that they can believe in.

If it should be accomplished, then please do so.

Imagine that these kinds of programs are helping to perpetuate the
free market economy, for the 10% tithed, as well as whatever else is
currently being paid in taxes for R & D programs.

Incoherency like that will earn you praise here at Usenet.

Yet Obama himself has said that the United States is no longer a
Christian nation!

It never was.

Now, back to point 1:

³The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain ³fullness of time², with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.²

IMO ³fullness of time² means that every possible and conceivable angle
for interpreting the Constitution w.r.t. both Democrat and Republican
sides has been exercised up to this point ad nausium, mainly because
there is a Marxist/Leninist side being presented to us as an
³alternative² and therefore ³disqualification² of any independent
representation or party that may offer itself as the better
alternative to interpreting our Constitution!

Either-or fallacy. Straw man. Hasty Generalizations. Irrelevancy.

What is being played out with HR 3200 right before our very eyes is
the dismemberment of the U.S. Constitution via the ³Slaughter² rule or
the ability to ³deem² a bill as passed, even though the particulars of
the bill have not been voted on.

What is to stop this administration from ³deeming² the wholesale
dismemberment of our society with things like immigration, which will
instantly naturalize millions of illegal aliens with the stroke of a
pen?

We the People, of course, is the answer.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan

On Mar 20, 4:33*pm, Chief wrote:
American wrote :





On Mar 20, 8:59*am, Neolibertarian wrote:
In article ,

*"Jonathan" wrote:
It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough
the
y
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this
healthcare legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with
prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its *a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world
that's less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
* * * * * * * * * ---Ronald Reagan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Point 1:

The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.

Examination of Problem:

e.g. if it’s being perceived that the Dems are the source of our
problems, then the solution must spring from the Republican side – and
if perceived that the Republicans are the source of the problem, then
the solution lies on the Dem side.

Problem is IMO both sides may be together right as a constitutional
government or together wrong as a constitutional government at any
given time.

It’s the “One nation under God” of a Christian nation that I dispute
here.

Government has no right taxing its citizens in order to provide free
programs for the needy - this should be handled by the churches at the
local level, and it should be accomplished in order to lift those in
need out of their despair, into something that they can believe in.

Imagine that these kinds of programs are helping to perpetuate the
free market economy, for the 10% tithed, as well as whatever else is
currently being paid in taxes for R & D programs.

Yet Obama himself has said that the United States is no longer a
Christian nation!

Now, back to point 1:

“The current government presently being offered to us under the U.S.
Constitution may have come to a certain “fullness of time”, with
regard to its very well rehearsed Republican/Democrat ideologies.”

IMO “fullness of time” means that every possible and conceivable angle
for interpreting the Constitution w.r.t. both Democrat and Republican
sides has been exercised up to this point ad nausium, mainly because
there is a Marxist/Leninist side being presented to us as an
“alternative” and therefore “disqualification” of any independent
representation or party that may offer itself as the better
alternative to interpreting our Constitution!

What is being played out with HR 3200 right before our very eyes is
the dismemberment of the U.S. Constitution via the “Slaughter” rule or
the ability to “deem” a bill as passed, even though the particulars of
the bill have not been voted on.

What is to stop this administration from “deeming” the wholesale
dismemberment of our society with things like immigration, which will
instantly naturalize millions of illegal aliens with the stroke of a
pen?

American

"Civilization has made the peasantry its pack animal. The bourgeoisie
in the long run only changed the form of the pack"

*- Leon Trotsky 1879 - 1940

What a laugh.

A good example of how stupid and dumbed down many of the Americans are
these days.

To believe Obama is a socialist is pure stupidity.

To think the House and Senate manuverings are unconstitutional is to not
know the same constitution you are so worried about.

What a laugh.

--
"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and the failures of
conservatives." - ETG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Try Andy Stern, the one that the president listens to, card check
forced unionism, Van Jones (self-avowed communist), the REAL “green”
movement, George Soros, and other various sundry lying scumbag trolls
that are enemies of the constitution.

Don’t forget, our president took the oath to “protect and defend” the
constitution of the U.S., so I guess “God” doesn’t mean much, as long
as these kinds humanists remain in the background as the so-called
“advisors”.

Rather than emphasizing Democracy, which is the next thing to
socialism, which is another form of Communism, why don't you try:

"I pledge alliegence to The United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands, One Nation under God"

Ours is a Constitution FOR The United States of America

NOT

The one adopted by either the Corporation, or the other fraudulent
Amendments (14th and 16th) that were never even ratified by the
States.


American

"We the People"