Yet Another Simple 'Proof' of Life on Mars!

I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and dry.

If I'm not mistaken, in systems where geology or erosion
dominates, things tend to settle to the bottom.
Or more simply.

With non-living systems 'things' seek the low-ground.

With living systems 'things' seek the high-ground.




What are the 'things' doing in this picture???

http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5L7L7.jpg.html



QED~



Jonathan


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Dear Johnathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and dry.

World largest animal, the whale. Lives under the surface. If a plant is
designed to be supported by water, it is usually limited to a very short
distance above it.

If I'm not mistaken, in systems where geology or erosion
dominates, things tend to settle to the bottom.
Or more simply.

With non-living systems 'things' seek the low-ground.

Nothwithstanding all the dust in the upper atmosphere that makes the sky
blue, the water that allows it to rain, the Martian meteroites found in the
ice at teh South pole...


With living systems 'things' seek the high-ground.

Moles, earthworms, rabbits, prarie dogs, notwithstanding...

What are the 'things' doing in this picture???


http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5L7L7.jpg.html

The most mobile things in this picture is the sand, and it is seeking lower
ground (or being a dune). Go to White Sands, New Mexico sometime.

A Velikovsky you are not... ;)

David A. Smith

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Dear Johnathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and dry.

World largest animal, the whale. Lives under the surface. If a plant is
designed to be supported by water, it is usually limited to a very short
distance above it.


I was talking about groundwater systems. I'll be more specific. When
you drive through the everglades forest on the western half, the forest
height varies quickly depending on the water level. In the small pockets
where the ground is dryer the trees grow much taller.




If I'm not mistaken, in systems where geology or erosion
dominates, things tend to settle to the bottom.
Or more simply.

With non-living systems 'things' seek the low-ground.

Nothwithstanding all the dust in the upper atmosphere that makes the sky
blue, the water that allows it to rain, the Martian meteroites found in the
ice at teh South pole...


When I use the word 'seek', it implies a tendency not a rule.
Are you stating that dust doesn't tend to fall if the given
the chance? Even a meteorite tends to fall someplace.

Objects under the influence of gravity and weathering
tend ..not.. to end up on the peaks, but in the valleys.




With living systems 'things' seek the high-ground.

Moles, earthworms, rabbits, prarie dogs, notwithstanding...

What are the 'things' doing in this picture???



http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5L7L7.jpg.html

The most mobile things in this picture is the sand, and it is seeking lower
ground (or being a dune). Go to White Sands, New Mexico sometime.


Are you saying you can't see that the spheres are thicker and darker
in all the little high-spots in the terrain? That you can't see the same
difference between endurance hill and the plains?

Can you see the similarities between these two pics?

The Stromatolites of Stella Maris, Bahamas
http://www.theflyingcircus.com/stella_maris.html

Endurance Crater
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...9P1987R0M1.JPG


Jonathan

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A Velikovsky you are not... ;)

David A. Smith

Dear Jonathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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Dear Johnathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect
of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and
dry.

World largest animal, the whale. Lives under the surface. If a plant
is
designed to be supported by water, it is usually limited to a very
short
distance above it.


I was talking about groundwater systems. I'll be more specific. When
you drive through the everglades forest on the western half, the forest
height varies quickly depending on the water level. In the small pockets
where the ground is dryer the trees grow much taller.

And what is similar between the Florida everglades and the surface of Mars?
Height is necessary where there is competition for something like sunlight.
Moist ground makes that impossible.

If I'm not mistaken, in systems where geology or erosion
dominates, things tend to settle to the bottom.
Or more simply.

With non-living systems 'things' seek the low-ground.

Nothwithstanding all the dust in the upper atmosphere that makes the
sky
blue, the water that allows it to rain, the Martian meteroites found in
the
ice at teh South pole...


When I use the word 'seek', it implies a tendency not a rule.
Are you stating that dust doesn't tend to fall if the given
the chance? Even a meteorite tends to fall someplace.

Objects under the influence of gravity and weathering
tend ..not.. to end up on the peaks, but in the valleys.

Yet all types of things can be found "naturally" at the top of Mount
Everest... except macroscopic life.

With living systems 'things' seek the high-ground.

Moles, earthworms, rabbits, prarie dogs, notwithstanding...

What are the 'things' doing in this picture???




http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5L7L7.jpg.html

The most mobile things in this picture is the sand, and it is seeking
lower
ground (or being a dune). Go to White Sands, New Mexico sometime.


Are you saying you can't see that the spheres are thicker and darker
in all the little high-spots in the terrain? That you can't see the same
difference between endurance hill and the plains?

Place sand and pebbles of various sizes in a jar, and shake the jar.
Notice how the larger pebbles tend to stay near the top? This is no proof
of "life".

Can you see the similarities between these two pics?

The Stromatolites of Stella Maris, Bahamas
http://www.theflyingcircus.com/stella_maris.html

Endurance Crater

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...9P1987R0M1.JPG

Yes and no. Water has eroded paths in a substrate.

David A. Smith

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect
of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and
dry.

If I'm not mistaken, in systems where geology or erosion
dominates, things tend to settle to the bottom.
Or more simply.

With non-living systems 'things' seek the low-ground.

With living systems 'things' seek the high-ground.

What are the 'things' doing in this picture???


http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5L7L7.jpg.html

QED~

Sorry... but your convoluted logic and JPEG image fail to meet the
standard for a mathematical "proof" of anything. Oh and BTW...
non-living "things" do not "seek" anything. But we do have some lovely
parting gifts for you. So long... and thanls for playing.

Jonathan wrote:

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Dear Johnathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and dry.

World largest animal, the whale. Lives under the surface. If a plant is
designed to be supported by water, it is usually limited to a very short
distance above it.

I was talking about groundwater systems. I'll be more specific. When
you drive through the everglades forest on the western half, the forest
height varies quickly depending on the water level. In the small pockets
where the ground is dryer the trees grow much taller.

Dearest Jonathan,
You keep putting "Everglades groundwater" when you mean to put
"sea-level salt-water."
Of course "living things" in /that/ (Florida generally) ecosystem
need to get rather as far away from your concept of "groundwater" as
they can manage, toward percolating /rain/-water.
Similar groundwater systems poisoned the Indus Valley civilisation
and produced the American Dust Bowl, both in and because of periods
of the heaviest rainfall known to those areas: the
ground"water"table rose to the surface, carrying a lot of alkalais
that poisoned off the desperate plant life that had no dunes to
climb.
I've counted a lot of freshly-sawn elm stumps (we're having a
Dutch Elm Disease problem for some time) since I read those
"reports," and every stump agrees that the heaviest, by at least
3:l, Great Plains rainfall of the 1900s occurred just before and
during the Dust Bowl.
Earth trees, you will recall, are completely-passive chemical
machines that get big when they're fed (and the converse), unlike
Martian sponges that roll up hills, as life does, looking for the
bigger blueberries that grow away from "the water."
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" wrote:

Dear Jonathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
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Dear Johnathan:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

I drive across the Florida Everglades on a regular basis. One aspect
of
groundwater systems that stands out is that the various plant
like thrives and grows tallest in the spots where it's ...high and
dry.

World largest animal, the whale. Lives under the surface. If a plant
is
designed to be supported by water, it is usually limited to a very
short
distance above it.


I was talking about groundwater systems. I'll be more specific. When
you drive through the everglades forest on the western half, the forest
height varies quickly depending on the water level. In the small pockets
where the ground is dryer the trees grow much taller.

And what is similar between the Florida everglades and the surface of Mars?

Salt-pans, probably. Save that they, as in the Sahara, are going to
have been affected by a lot more than the Sahara's 10,000 years of
wind.
But even after 10,000 years, the Sahara's are still in the low
spots mostly.
And, of cuss, the Everglades' haven't dried up yet.
But you can see the panning process (really a rain-drain phenom)
in SoCal and around the Sea of Azov in the present.

Height is necessary where there is competition for something like sunlight.
Moist ground makes that impossible.

....

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The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, **** detector. -- Hemingway
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