Global Warming is about giving your government more regulatorypower and your eventual enslavment.

On Oct 22, 12:06*am, wrote:

I tend to lean towards environmental stewardship, so I guess you can
put me into the loony liberal side of your bucket. I value clean air
and water and sustainable resource use. I'm a fan of all-electric cars
for commuting, ever since I worked on them at Gould Labs back when
Carter was president. I'll be one of the first to buy the GM Volt,
regardless of what it costs.

I'm for private enterprise to fix things like CO2 emissions by using
the market place to sort out the winners and losers. Oil will get more
and more expensive, so it has no long term future as an energy source.
It was the low hanging fruit for the last 100 years, but now we have
to climb higher and higher to get at it. Just like in an apple
orchard, we need to plant new trees now so that the next generations
after us will have the means to live well.

I'm excited about the future because I can see things that will be and
know people who are going to make a difference. The old power
structure is crumbling and new growth is coming to the surface. The US
will be at the forefront of this new future (and that's regardless of
who occupies the White house this next term).

Rolando

Well said!

I heard on the Danish Radio Environmental programme today that the
alternatives economy in California is doing well indeed.

I'd buy an electric car like a shot if one was available. But not some
bloated overweight 20th century car designed for high speed with 5
people and a heavy engine and gearbox. Nor some pressed steel box with
the engine taken out and a lead/acid battery pack and washing machine
motor fitted. The electric car could be made very much lighter like
the Austin 7 of the 1930s. Half the weight of the Ford T and much
smaller because the roads were better in Europe. Modern roads are no
problem for a small, light, electric car with modern suspension and
disk brakes.More of a 4 wheel motorcycle design with a lightweight
body and independent suspension built deliberately for only two adults
with all the weight saving that offers. Most car journeys carry only
the driver anyway and speed limits and are far lower than advertised
potential speeds. Particularly with city traffic congestion. Recharge
with wind/solar renewables for a CO2 neutral transport system that
still provides the shelter, the comfort and total freedom of choice
and movement of a car. Get the stalled car factories building
something cheap, electric and simple now instead of watching them
close with massive job losses so they can't build anything at all.

The same radio programme indicated that the Earth went from an ice age
to a warm climate in only one year 11k years ago. 6-12 degrees C
Global temperature change in a matter of a few short years. Multiple
Greenland ice cores suggest that the global wind patterns completely
reversed carrying warm air northwards to the huge ice cap which spread
as far south as France. See Nature and Science magazines for
corroborating evidence from multiple sources and teams from completely
different disciplines publishing by sheer coincidence in the same
month. The climate seems to have been remarkably stable until man-made
warming upset the system. Now any sudden changes change would be
superimposed on top of the damage we've already done with still
virtually no political willingness to change our habits. There may
still be hope in the recession forcing a major rethink on how we treat
our planet. Let's learn from our mistakes.

On Oct 22, 5:33*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:


I'd buy an electric car like a shot if one was available. But not some
bloated overweight 20th century car designed for high speed with 5
people and a heavy engine and gearbox. Nor some pressed steel box with
the engine taken out and a lead/acid battery pack and washing machine
motor fitted. The electric car could be made very much lighter like
the Austin 7 of the 1930s. Half the weight of the Ford T and much
smaller because the roads were better in Europe. *Modern roads are no
problem for a small, light, electric car with modern suspension and
disk brakes.More of a 4 wheel motorcycle design with a lightweight
body and independent suspension built deliberately for only two adults
with all the weight saving that offers. Recharge
with wind/solar renewables for a CO2 neutral transport system that
still provides the shelter, the comfort and total freedom of choice
and movement of a car. Get the stalled car factories building
something cheap, electric and simple now instead of watching them
close with massive job losses so they can't build anything at all.

The same radio programme indicated that the Earth went from an ice age
to a warm climate in only one year 11k years ago. 6-12 degrees CGlobaltemperature change in a matter of a few short years. The climate seems to have been remarkably stable until man-madewarmingupset the system.

How are you going to recharge those electric cars at night? Do you
understand ac power at all? Load?

In the US,"small, very light "cars are very dangerous in collisions
and cost far more to insure. Check your local emergency room to see
how motorcycle riders fare in collisions with cars.

So 11,000 years ago campfires of a very small group of humans turned
the environment into runaway global warming? Suppose natural factors
were the primary cause? Again, you make my case for me.

"Chris.B" wrote:

Modern roads are no problem for a small, light, electric car with modern
suspension and disk brakes.

Regenerative brakes, man, regenerative brakes!

built deliberately for only two adults with all the weight saving that offers.

Don't forget space for the 12" Dob! :-)

On Oct 23, 2:24*pm, "Tom Jarrett" wrote:
"Chris.B" wrote:
Modern roads are no problem for a small, light, electric car with modern
suspension and disk brakes.

Regenerative brakes, man, regenerative brakes!

built deliberately for only two adults with all the weight saving that offers.

Don't forget space for the 12" Dob! *:-)

CHEVY VOLT! It has the room for a large Dob, and enough range to get
to my favorite deep sky site out in the country without using one drop
of gas. And by the way, it will recharge overnight using power from
our local wind turbines which generate most of their output at night.
And if we can get the farmers to turn off their mercury vapor lights,
which are used to present a load the the local Nuke plant so it
doesn't go unstable, then we can use this wasted power for more
'lectric vehicles. Go GM! Go VOLT!

Rolando

On Oct 23, 9:39*pm, wrote:


CHEVY VOLT! It has the room for a large Dob, and enough range to get
to my favorite deep sky site out in the country without using one drop
of gas. And by the way, it will recharge overnight using power from
our local wind turbines which generate most of their output at night.
And if we can get the farmers to turn off their mercury vapor lights,
which are used to present a load the the local Nuke plant so it
doesn't go unstable, then we can use this wasted power for more
'lectric vehicles. Go GM! Go VOLT!

Rolando

You are a great ambassador for renewables. I would advise you examine
the possibility and efficiency of a trailer and tow hook. Then you
won't need to take the greater load carrying capacity with you
everywhere your go. A trailer offers the freedom to enjoy a smaller,
lighter car with greater range and performance for most of the time.
The trailer is left at home and only brought into service when
actually needed. Most Danish cars have a tow hook. A variety of
trailers can even be hired from the local petrol station thereby
avoiding the cost of purchase.

As you say, the best recharging system for electric cars is the
overnight power developed by wind turbines. Whose energy would
otherwise be wasted because there is no demand. They had the same
problem with nuclear power in England and had to pump water uphill
into mountain valley reservoirs to give the power stations a safe load
at night. I imagine a smaller home wind turbine would manage to keep
an electric car on the road.

Mass production of all of these ideas is needed to make them
affordable enough so all can enjoy their freedoms. Not to mention the
very real jobs in manufacture and development of the alternative
energy economy.

Vast numbers of the working poor are saddled with old and polluting
gas guzzlers through no fault of their own. These vehicles are simply
by far the cheapest transport to purchase. Though maintenance costs
quickly spiral in most cases. Replacing these older cars with clean
electric vehicles would make a much bigger dent in the CO2 problem
than replacing the modern, fuel-efficient transport of the middle
classes. Just as giving independent power to the rural community would
save the massive losses in present energy supply systems rather than
building nuclear power plants to power vast cities and their useless
lights at night.

Modern society has literally priced efficient transport, homes and
lifestyles completely out of reach of the vast majority.
"Alternatives" could finally free the masses from wasting their meagre
resources on monopolistic supplies of energy thanks to their energy
inefficient homes. Insulating rural homes against heat and cold and
supplying affordable heat pumps and solar panels would be an excellent
government investment. Certainly compared with building yet more
nuclear power stations and the miserly overall CO2 savings they
provide. Not to mention removing the most obvious targets for enemies
of democracy. You can't bomb a worldwide fleet of wind turbines
scattered right across the countryside providing clean and efficient
local power but still joined to the net. Their combined strength is
much like the internet. The number of completely still days across
many localities is remarkably few. No doubt new and affordable battery
technologies will provide reserve energy during those rare moments.

We could see a worldwide DC economy flourishing in a few short years.
Think of the savings from removing appliance power supplies sitting on
permanent standby. Economies of scale in production would finally
allow rural Africa and Asia to enjoy reliable energy sources. Without
their removing vital forests just for daily cooking. The global
racism, the religious intolerance, the political corruption and the
worldwide poverty caused by total reliance on oil and gas as our
energy sources would end. All it requires new vision from our so-
called leaders. Those who limit the human race in their true potential
for their own personal greed and gratification.

On Oct 24, 4:30 am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Oct 23, 9:39 pm, wrote:



CHEVY VOLT! It has the room for a large Dob, and enough range to get
to my favorite deep sky site out in the country without using one drop
of gas. And by the way, it will recharge overnight using power from
our local wind turbines which generate most of their output at night.
And if we can get the farmers to turn off their mercury vapor lights,
which are used to present a load the the local Nuke plant so it
doesn't go unstable, then we can use this wasted power for more
'lectric vehicles. Go GM! Go VOLT!

Rolando

You are a great ambassador for renewables. I would advise you examine
the possibility and efficiency of a trailer and tow hook. Then you
won't need to take the greater load carrying capacity with you
everywhere your go. A trailer offers the freedom to enjoy a smaller,
lighter car with greater range and performance for most of the time.
The trailer is left at home and only brought into service when
actually needed. Most Danish cars have a tow hook. A variety of
trailers can even be hired from the local petrol station thereby
avoiding the cost of purchase.

As you say, the best recharging system for electric cars is the
overnight power developed by wind turbines. Whose energy would
otherwise be wasted because there is no demand. They had the same
problem with nuclear power in England and had to pump water uphill
into mountain valley reservoirs to give the power stations a safe load
at night. I imagine a smaller home wind turbine would manage to keep
an electric car on the road.

Mass production of all of these ideas is needed to make them
affordable enough so all can enjoy their freedoms. Not to mention the
very real jobs in manufacture and development of the alternative
energy economy.

Vast numbers of the working poor are saddled with old and polluting
gas guzzlers through no fault of their own. These vehicles are simply
by far the cheapest transport to purchase. Though maintenance costs
quickly spiral in most cases. Replacing these older cars with clean
electric vehicles would make a much bigger dent in the CO2 problem
than replacing the modern, fuel-efficient transport of the middle
classes. Just as giving independent power to the rural community would
save the massive losses in present energy supply systems rather than
building nuclear power plants to power vast cities and their useless
lights at night.

Modern society has literally priced efficient transport, homes and
lifestyles completely out of reach of the vast majority.
"Alternatives" could finally free the masses from wasting their meagre
resources on monopolistic supplies of energy thanks to their energy
inefficient homes. Insulating rural homes against heat and cold and
supplying affordable heat pumps and solar panels would be an excellent
government investment. Certainly compared with building yet more
nuclear power stations and the miserly overall CO2 savings they
provide. Not to mention removing the most obvious targets for enemies
of democracy. You can't bomb a worldwide fleet of wind turbines
scattered right across the countryside providing clean and efficient
local power but still joined to the net. Their combined strength is
much like the internet. The number of completely still days across
many localities is remarkably few. No doubt new and affordable battery
technologies will provide reserve energy during those rare moments.

We could see a worldwide DC economy flourishing in a few short years.
Think of the savings from removing appliance power supplies sitting on
permanent standby. Economies of scale in production would finally
allow rural Africa and Asia to enjoy reliable energy sources. Without
their removing vital forests just for daily cooking. The global
racism, the religious intolerance, the political corruption and the
worldwide poverty caused by total reliance on oil and gas as our
energy sources would end. All it requires new vision from our so-
called leaders. Those who limit the human race in their true potential
for their own personal greed and gratification.

The fossil fuel burning mindsets of the Rothschilds and Zionist/Nazis
don't much care for folks like yourself. Perhaps you are too
independent and deductive thinking for your own constructive good.
You always need more "personal greed and gratification" according to
the mainstream status quo.

~ BG