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Fermilab and symmetry breaking
Source: http://www.symmetry magazine. org/breaking/ 2008/10/08/ fermilab- and- symmetry- breaking/ My comment. Quotations from: Fermilab and symmetry breaking Yoichiro Nambu, Makoto Kobayashi and Toshihide Maskawa won the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physics for their work on symmetry breaking in the world of elementary particles and forces. Nambu’s formulation of symmetry breaking allows physicists to explain why there is matter in the universe, while the work of Kobayashi and Maskawa provides the theoretical tools to explain why the universe contains no antimatter. When physicists discuss symmetries, they refer to things that appear identical. Symmetry breaking is a way of explaining why things look different from each other. =========. Sadovnik. How is possible to speak about antimatter if nobody knows what antimatter is? ==========. From the combination of spontaneous symmetry breaking and electroweak unification comes an exciting prediction: a new particle called the Higgs boson. The Higgs is the hammer that breaks the symmetry and gives different particles different masses. ===============. Sadovnik. Does “the combination of spontaneous symmetry” describe Physical or pure Mathematical process? Does anybody find “ the Higgs boson “? =========. Currently, close to a thousand physicists from around the world are searching for the Higgs boson in collisions produced by the Tevatron accelerator at Fermilab. Makoto Kobayashi and Toshihide Maskawa formulated a mechanism to explain symmetry breaking between matter and antimatter, typically called CP violation. ===============. Sadovnik. This mechanism explains symmetry breaking between {matter and antimatter), Between things which we don’t know. ==========. In 1963, Nicola Cabibbo made a modification to Enrico Fermi’s theory of the weak interactions to explain the observed decay rates of heavy quarks into light quarks. Cabibbo showed that the strength of the weak force differs for different quarks. Kobayashi and Maskawa expanded upon these ideas and made further modifications to allow for a difference in the interactions between quarks and those between antiquarks. The combined picture, the Cabbibo-Kobayashi-Maskawa matrix, describes all the interactions of quarks. The CKM picture of the universe allows for the difference in the behavior of matter and antimatter that allowed matter to survive after the Big Bang, while antimatter disappeared from the universe. ================. Sadovnik. Nobody saw quark. Comment: Years ago, I attended a lecture at Caltech by Gell-Mann in which he explained why he developed the THEORY of the quark. He was looking for a common denomenator to the atomic zoo -- a common denominator of characteristics. He found some (3) and didn't know what they really were so he called them Quarks. Later he found more, so he had 6. From there the theory grew like topsey and develped colors -- BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE. Some theory. (Then there's "up" "down" --- and I'm waiting for "sideways" :-) ) The quark has never been isolated. So instead of admitting there was no such thing, it was pronounced that it could not escape the nucleus. How convenient.. Bill uses as an argument that the rest of humanity believes in the quark. Humanity believed in Ptolemy's universe for FOURTEEN CENTURIES. And more recently, practically all of humanity celebrated New Year 2000 as the beginning of a new milleniuim while the FACT is the new millenium started with the year 2001. "Humanity" can be very stupid at times. A more apropos story for the non-existent quarks is the fable about the King who wore no clothes. Everybody commented on how COLORFUL his clothes were (the same colors as have quarks) but, alas, the king was naked. If anyone wants to read a theory of the sub-particle structure of the universe, they can go to http://www.wbabin.net (The General Science Journal) --find the list of authors pull down -- click on Vertner Vergon and read the monograph, "On the Quantum as a Physical Entity". VERGON Is “the Big Bang “ real, complete theory? ================. Besides helping to explain the absence of antimatter, Kobayashi and Maskawa’s theories make many other predictions that experimental discoveries at Fermilab have shown to be true. The KM mechanism predicted the existence of a third generation of elementary particles. Of the particles in this third generation, 75 percent have been discovered at Fermilab: the bottom quark, the top quark, and the tau neutrino. ==========. Sadovnik. So, we must search new “a third generation of elementary particles. “ My opinion. In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms, bombarding them with high energy a- particles. This idea helped him understand the structure of atom. But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists to enlarge the target. Bomb them! And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles. And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature. But this was forgotten. What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators. And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man. Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy. And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum. But this, he has withheld from man. He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible. And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles. And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes. But my God, save us from their presence on Earth. ========= .. ========. Rutherford was right. His followers are mistaken. Why? Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree. For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth. It is normal. But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig a base for a huge building (skyscraper), or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth, will you call me a normal man? ========== .. ===============. Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall. And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws. Does he have many chances to succeed? As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators. If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis, the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited. ========== . ======== . The Nature works very economical. For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all different cells created on our planet. What are about another 80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution. The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 ) proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature. All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus, all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks… etc) are dead end of evolution. ============. What was before - “ the big bang” or the vacuum ? The physicists created “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “ Please, look at how our physicists made this accelerator. They made the vacuum and after they generated a big reaction between two colliding particles in some small imitation of the “big bang”. They didn’t make this process in the reverse. So, what was prior in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum? ===========================.. The Universe as whole is Vacuum, first of all. ========. In 1964, Cronin and Fitch discovered CP violation in K mesons. The KM mechanism, formulated to explain Cronin and Fitch’s discovery, also predicted still further differences in the way matter and antimatter relate to each other. This led to the discovery of a new type of CP violation in kaons at Fermilab and to the discovery of matter- antimatter oscillations in Bs mesons at the Tevatron. Another prediction pointed to a new way to produce heavy particles, a mechanism also discovered at Tevatron experiments through the observation of single top quarks. As in the case of matter generation, physicists expect to find the Higgs boson at the heart of matter–antimatter asymmetry. With a lot of work and a little luck, the Higgs boson may be the next great discovery at Fermilab to grow out of the work of these latest Nobel laureates and many other great physicists of our times. ===================. Sadovnik. Now mathematics goes ahead of science and physics follows it. Mathematicians carry the posters:“Forward to abstraction”, “Forward to the absurd” and we all follow them. We march bravely on the dinosaur’s path. ================. Best wishes. Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. |
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Quoth "Socratus" on the Primacy of Math uber alles syndrome :
Now mathematics goes ahead of science and physics follows it. Mathematicians carry the posters:“Forward to abstraction”, “Forward to the absurd” and we all follow them. We march bravely on the dinosaur’s path. ================. Best wishes. Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. :-) |
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"oldcoot" wrote in message...
... Quoth "Socratus" on the Primacy of Math uber alles syndrome : Now mathematics goes ahead of science and physics follows it. Mathematicians carry the posters:“Forward to abstraction”, “Forward to the absurd” and we all follow them. We march bravely on the dinosaur’s path. ================. Best wishes. Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. :-) Oh, no no no! I'm not going to let you *or* Socratus off *that* easy! g I'll be the first to admit that your "primacy of math" premise has a ring of truth to it. The great radiologist, chemist and physicist, Marie Curie once quipped... "There are sadistic scientists who hurry to hunt down errors instead of establishing the truth." And nowadays, there just isn't enough of this "hunting down errors". We need more of her "sadistic scientists" who are, in reality, "sadistic skeptics". Unlike the great and illustrious Madame Curie, i believe that the skeptics are absolutely required in "establishing the truth". In theoretical physics, cosmology, astrophysics and that most esoteric quantum mechanics, math has led to many great discoveries. There have been several dead ends, too, and yes, science is still "circling" in some of these "attractive" cul de sacs. And yet, mathematicians are like road workers. They build the road in a certain direction, while others follow the road to wherever it may lead. And while many of their roads are dead ends, and while many of these cul de sacs are attractive and difficult to *see* as the dead ends they are, some of the roads *do* lead to the truth. If math is "primal", it's because that's the nature of the beast. Without math, science would have no idea which way to go. It's better to have a road to follow, and to maybe find truth at the end of the road, than it would be to not have any road at all. The physical reality is... there would be no "creature comforts", no computers, no internet/UseNet, none of the great scientific feats that we take for granted, if it were not for the "primacy of math"! I am not a mathematician, not even close. However, i do recognize the crucial importance of mathematicians, both those who study the beauty of the pure, and those who tackle the practical and useful "applied" math. It is my contention that there are no greater scientists on Earth than these lovers and users of mathematics! In a way, they're like cops and firemen. The rest of us run away from crime, fire, and from ugh! math. The mathematicians run *toward* the very math we find ugly. While they are all "certifiable", crazy, insane(!), g they are all to be venerated and praised! Firemen, Cops and, yes, Mathematicians! T H E UNSUNG S A L T O F T H E E A R T H ! happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S. "Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less." Marie Curie--chemist & physicist P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com http://painellsworth.net |
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Heh.. always fun to spar on the 'Primacy of math', Paine. Like i allus
sed, there's no argument with the *utility* of math which gives us our creature comforts and technologies. But the Primacy of math, that is, making The Math supplant and *substitute for* the literal mechanism it purports to describe, is where the train derails. And this Pof M syndrome is exclusive to cosmology, astrophysics, and theoretical physics. It gave us the "gift that keeps on giving", the VSP with its plethora of 'sidebars' like 'eleven dimensions' (or whatever number is currently in vogue), a 'one-shot' BB, 'ever-accelerating expansion unto entropic heat death', "dark matter/dark energy", and on and on, "adding epicycles" whenever the paradigm bogs down and needs another kludge. Math, in its secondary, descriptive 'bookeeping' role, is fine. But when math is given Primacy and then *applied to a false premise*, a "trainwreck" results.. like the epicycles of geocentrism and the 'sidebars' of the VSP. |
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"oldcoot" wrote in message...
... Heh.. always fun to spar on the 'Primacy of math', Paine. Like i allus sed, there's no argument with the *utility* of math which gives us our creature comforts and technologies. But the Primacy of math, that is, making The Math supplant and *substitute for* the literal mechanism it purports to describe, is where the train derails. And this Pof M syndrome is exclusive to cosmology, astrophysics, and theoretical physics. It gave us the "gift that keeps on giving", the VSP with its plethora of 'sidebars' like 'eleven dimensions' (or whatever number is currently in vogue), a 'one-shot' BB, 'ever-accelerating expansion unto entropic heat death', "dark matter/dark energy", and on and on, "adding epicycles" whenever the paradigm bogs down and needs another kludge. Math, in its secondary, descriptive 'bookeeping' role, is fine. But when math is given Primacy and then *applied to a false premise*, a "trainwreck" results.. like the epicycles of geocentrism and the 'sidebars' of the VSP. But it's all there is for now, oc. Science does not yet know enough about gravity to go any farther than the theoretical math of GR. Spacetime curves, but that can't be completely real because, well, there's really nothing there to actually curve. So GR must mean that "spacetime curves" thing as an abstract concept of mathematics. How can it be anything else? head scratch Until science finally decides to face the truth, that the UGLY, despicable, HATED, asinine, INFANTILE concept of the ugh! a e t h e r arghh! is just as *REAL* now as it was before Einstein trotted his two little legs on the scene, until they realize that this aether is no more, no less than a huge expanse of energy, whose frequency of vibration is SO high, whose wavelengths are SO tiny and minuscule so that it behaves almost completely particle-like, and that it is this very real attribute of space that energetically FLOWS into mass and thereby directly causes gravity, science will sadly continue to run around in random fashion just like the classic "Brownian motion". Science needs to take an objective "random walk" down the distasteful path of self-scrutiny. The ego of science is far too great for its own good. A wakeup call might be coming soon, and science is ill-prepared. Fighting the "primacy of math" as you've defined it above is like David facing Goliath without a slingshot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S. "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." Plato P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com http://painellsworth.net |
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On Oct 12, 11:06*am, "Painius" wrote:
*Science does not yet know enough about gravity to go any farther than the theoretical math of GR. *Spacetime curves, but that can't be completely real because, well, there's really nothing there to actually curve. *So GR must mean that "spacetime curves" thing as an abstract concept of mathematics. *How can it be anything else? *head scratch -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S. *"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the * * * *dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid * * * *of the light." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Plato P.P.S.: *http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com * * * * * * * * * *http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *http://painellsworth.net- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - =============================================. SRT. Minkowski spacetime was born in SRT. In SRT gravity is absent. It means Minkowski spacetime does not has gravity and this spacetime is Pseudo-Euclid's flat spacetime. Minkowski spacetime is absolute conception. 2. GRT. When Einstein put mass into Minkowski spacetime it is curved. When Friedman put time into Minkowski spacetime it is curved too. In GRT the "spacetime curves". If Minkowski spacetime is curved it isn’t more Minkowski spacetime. ( you wrote too: The curvature is gravity.) This “Minkowski spacetime” is now Gravity space. Gravity space has 3-D + time. Gravity space (3-D + time) is relative conception.. ======================. Best wishes. Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. |
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On Oct 12, 2:06*am, "Painius" wrote:
"oldcoot" sed : * * * * * * * * *Math, in its secondary, descriptive 'bookeeping' role, is fine. But when math is given Primacy and then *applied to a false premise*, a "trainwreck" results.. like the epicycles of geocentrism and the 'sidebars' of the VSP. But it's all there is for now, oc. *Science does not yet know enough about gravity to go any farther than the theoretical math of GR. *Spacetime curves, but that can't be completely real because, well, there's really nothing there to actually curve. *So GR must mean that "spacetime curves" thing as an abstract concept of mathematics. *How can it be anything else? *head scratch Bingo, amigo. "Space-time" is a pure abstraction, albeit one that 'works' amazingly well mathematically as a *description* of Something.. "Something-whose-existance-must-be denied-at-all-cost". When Uncle Albert trotted out his innocuous little statement, "Remember, gentlemen, we have not proven that the aether does not exist, we have only proven that we do not need it (for mathematical purposes)", the mainstream pounced on it and spun it as heralding a new age of reason in science. Math now supplanted the old superstition. The "aether" was dead. The Primacy of Math doctrine was born. And the rest is history. "Space-time" became Uncle A's euphamism, his surrogate, FOR the "aether", the spatial medium we now recognize as the sub-Planck(ian) energy domain or SPED. Once the reality of the SPED is recognized, the need for abstract code words and euphamisms evaporates. "4-D fields", geometry, "space-time" and 'curvature' thereof, are now recognized as mere *descriptions of effects*. We finally recognize the very real _mechanism_ responsible for causing those effects. Until science finally decides to face the truth, that the UGLY, despicable, HATED, asinine, INFANTILE concept of the ugh! *a e t h e r *arghh! is just as *REAL* now as it was before Einstein trotted his two little legs on the scene, until they realize that this aether is no more, no less than a huge expanse of energy, whose frequency of vibration is SO high, whose wavelengths are SO tiny and minuscule so that it behaves almost completely particle-like, and that it is this very real attribute of space that energetically FLOWS into mass and thereby directly causes gravity, science will sadly continue to run around in random fashion just like the classic "Brownian motion". The old rigid/immobile "aether" of Lorentz and Einstein was thrown out and rightly so. It just needed one major modification : recognize it as NOT rigid/immobile but highly mobile, fluidic, compressible/ expansible, and amenable to density gradients. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater and the "afterbirth", the VSP and Pof M, raised instead. Science needs to take an objective "random walk" down the distasteful path of self-scrutiny. *The ego of science is far too great for its own good. *A wakeup call might be coming soon, and science is ill-prepared. Fighting the "primacy of math" as you've defined it above is like David facing Goliath without a slingshot. * * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk It won't happen anytime in the foreseeable future, and just as well considering humanity's present level of maturity. Science will remain safely "corraled" in the playpen of the VSP. |
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"oldcoot" wrote in message...
... On Oct 12, 2:06 am, "Painius" wrote: Fighting the "primacy of math" as you've defined it above is like David facing Goliath without a slingshot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk It won't happen anytime in the foreseeable future, and just as well considering humanity's present level of maturity. Science will remain safely "corraled" in the playpen of the VSP. It's a serious, sometimes unsettling problem, though. After many years of you and i and others talking about it, it seems so obvious that space is high-grade energy. Yet, scientists continue to observe and work tirelessly to tie their observations to existing theory. This is a serious problem with the science policy to establish a theory, to embed an idea that may very well turn out to be, if not incorrect, then only a glimpse, a shadowy, nebulous glimpse of physical reality. Each new observation should fall into the category of "zero bias". Instead of ardently trying to tie the new observation to existing theory, scientists ought to put the observation into a "let's try to falsify the existing theory with this observation" category. And with this sort of attitude in mind, the new observation just may lead to refinement of existing theory toward a clearer picture of physical reality. But science is stuck in a Brownian rut. At this point, it would take a better, smarter person than even Albert E. to break science out of its self-made, impassive cul that resembles a large, heavy box with steel walls. "A scientist without imagination is like a haystack without a needle." Paine Ellsworth g happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S. "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." Plato P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com http://painellsworth.net |
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On Oct 12, 2:55*pm, "Painius" wrote:
Yet, scientists continue to observe and work tirelessly to tie their observations to existing theory... * ....and invent whatever kludge is necessary to make the existing theory, invariably predicated on the VSP, "work". Each new observation should fall into the category of "zero bias". *Instead of ardently trying to tie the new observation to existing theory, scientists ought to put the observation into a "let's try to falsify the existing theory with this observation" category. * A perfect example would be the flat rotation curves of galaxies, presumed to be held in step by an invisible sticky goo, "dark matter". 'Member as to how, over the years, we speculated that mutual gravitation of the peripheral mass in the disc might be partly responsible. Then more recently, there appeared that article on low- brightness stars in the "halo" which further eroded need for DM. Then, just recently in our discussion of lensing by the Bullet Cluster, there came that "Aha!" moment, when with crystal clarity, it became obvious that the BC's lensing is due to CO-ENTRAINMENT of both matter AND the spatial medium. Both matter and space itself are flowing in unison, like dust borne on the wind. At that moment, it became obvious that in spiral galaxies, co-entrainment is likewise at work, and is the PRIMARY reason for the flat (non-Keplerian) rotation curves. Space is co-rotating _with_ visible matter in the disc. Space itself IS the invisible and enigmatic "dark matter"! It shoulda been so damned obvious from the very outset. This co-entrainment / co-rotation is visible evidence of the Lense-Thirring ('frame dragging') effect on the galactic scale (the only difference is - it's space dragging matter, not vice-versa). On the scale of the Solar System, the effect is many orders of magnitude smaller, and thus Keplerian rotation predominates. And with this sort of attitude in mind, the new observation just may lead to refinement of existing theory toward a clearer picture of physical reality. But science is stuck in a Brownian rut. At this point, it would take a better, smarter person than even Albert E. to break science out of its self-made, impassive cul that resembles a large, heavy box with steel walls. "A scientist without imagination is like a haystack without a needle." |
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"socratus" wrote in message...
... On Oct 12, 11:06 am, "Painius" wrote: Science does not yet know enough about gravity to go any farther than the theoretical math of GR. Spacetime curves, but that can't be completely real because, well, there's really nothing there to actually curve. So GR must mean that "spacetime curves" thing as an abstract concept of mathematics. How can it be anything else? head scratch =============================================. SRT. Minkowski spacetime was born in SRT. In SRT gravity is absent. It means Minkowski spacetime does not has gravity and this spacetime is Pseudo-Euclid's flat spacetime. Minkowski spacetime is absolute conception. 2. GRT. When Einstein put mass into Minkowski spacetime it is curved. When Friedman put time into Minkowski spacetime it is curved too. In GRT the "spacetime curves". If Minkowski spacetime is curved it isn’t more Minkowski spacetime. ( you wrote too: The curvature is gravity.) This “Minkowski spacetime” is now Gravity space. Gravity space has 3-D + time. Gravity space (3-D + time) is relative conception.. ======================. Best wishes. Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. Thank you, Socratus! Both Newton and Einstein in concert with many other great scientists have tried and tried to deduce the nature of gravity, indeed the very CAUSE of gravity. But Isaac Newton gave up; he stated in a letter to a friend that he didn't really have a clue as to what actually causes this strange, and at the same time, *familiar* thing we call "gravity". Newton believed that God causes gravity. Einstein couldn't quite pin it down either, working most of his life after SR and GR to discover exactly what causes gravity, so that it could be understood how it works in terms of the other forces. He never gave up like Newton did, but he was unable to take general relativity beyond being a mere "description of the effects" of gravity. He never found the cause of gravity. To understand what causes gravity, one must get one's mind off of the Earth, off of simple reflecting matter like planets and moons. One must focus one's mind on a star... the Sun? Why not? Sun is a perfectly good star, isn't it? It's certainly done a great and awesome service to us by providing us with light and warmth. The Sun is the true place for us to begin. Focus your mind upon the Sun, and the cause of gravity just might SPRING forth into your mind, as it has done into mine. And after you have thought about this, our wonderful star, then let me know if you still have questions about what causes gravity. For i shall be happy to share the answer with you! happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S. "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." Plato P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com http://painellsworth.net |
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