QUR'ANIC VERSES WITH IMPORTANT ASTRONOMICAL (COSMOLOGICAL ANDCOSMOOENIC) CONNOTATIONS

By: Dr. / Zaghloul El-Naggar



The cosmos is collectively referred to in the Glorious Qur’an under
the term “heavens and earth”, or simply “heavens” and sometimes in the
singular form “heaven, firmament or sky”. Such reference is made in
(310) Qur’anic verses (190 in the plural and 120 in the singular form)
to describe certain characteristics of the universe, successive stages
in its creation, its final destruction and annihilation, as well as
its recreation. These cosmic verses intervene the main message of this
divine revelation, as a vivid testimony for the unlimited might,
knowledge and wisdom of the Creator (S.W.T). They are not meant to be
pieces of scientific information per se, as science is left for man to
gain over a long span of time through careful observation and/or
experimentation, followed by rational conclusion. Nevertheless, the
Qur’an, being the word of the Creator (S.W.T.) , and the cosmos, being
His creation, such cosmic Qur‘anic verses must convey the absolute
truth about areas that cannot possibly be placed under the direct
observation of man, such as the creation, annihilation and recreation
of the universe. Consequently, early speculations about the origin of
the universe in pre-Islamic civilizations, had glimpses of some facts
borrowed from the successive divine revelations, but highly mixed with
mythological assumptions and illusionary visions. An example for this
mixture of truth and fallacies in polytheistic civilizations is the
ancient Egyptians concept about the creation of the earth. This
concept is symbolized in their legacy by drawing “Chou” (the
mythological God of air), son of A’amoun Ra’a (the Fictitious God of
the Sun) in a position where he is separating his sister
“Nutt” (symbolic for the heaven) from his brother “Kepp” (who stands
for the earth). Indeed, the concept of separating the earth from the
rest of the universe is a divinely revealed fact, which was completely
distorted in the ancient Egyptian mythology under the influence of
deviation from monotheism to polytheism. Similarly, in the ancient
Indian civilization a cosmic nucleus (or Golden Egg) which symbolizes
the origin of the universe was believed to have emerged from water.
However, the Noble Qur’an forcefully invites man to observe the
universe rationally with discernment, and analyze the data collected
from such observation critically, with meticulous assessment. It is
only through such scientific questioning of the universe that man can
discover the laws of creation, and applies them correctly for the
proper fulfillment of his vicegerency on earth. This can be achieved
by the successful development of man, his faculties and knowledge, and
of life in general, as well as by the rational reflection on the
Supremacy of The Creator, and hence, the willful submission to His
glory peacefully and lovingly in worshipping and obedience. The
discovery of the perfect concordance between the Qur’anic descriptions
of the universe and its established facts can be a very convincing
proof for the divine nature of the Qur’an and the authentic
Prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh). Not only this, but the Qur’an can be a
guiding light in the area of cosmogonic interpretations, because this
is an area that can never fall directly under the human observation,
despite the abundant traces for the successive stages of creation
which are still preserved in outer space. Out of the 310 Qur’anic
verses where the cosmos is mentioned, at least 166 carry evident
cosmological and cosmogonic implications. Only 3 of such verses are
discussed here as follows:



A- The Expanding nature of the Universe as indicated in the Glorious
Qur’an: The Qur’an reads “With power did We construct the heaven.
Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof. ”

(Surat Adh-Dhariyat (The Winds that Scatter):49).

Early commentators on the Glorious Qur’an saw the significance of
this verse in the context of the amazing vastness of the universe, and
in the fact that who could make it that vast, is definitely capable of
making it even much more enormous, extending its limits outwardly much
further, and this is very true. However, after centuries of keen
observations, and numerous hypotheses, theorems and interpretations,
the American astronomer Vesto M. Slipher noticed in 1912 that, except
for a few nearby systems such as the Andromeda galaxy, the spectral
lines from the rest of the galaxies were shifted toward longer (red)
wavelengths. This shift in wavelength, caused by the Doppler Effect,
showed that most galaxies were receding from ours (the Milky Way) at
several hundred kilometers per second. In 1929, another American
astronomer, Edwin Powell Hubble noticed that the more remote the
galaxy, the higher was its recession velocity. This important
relationship has become known as the law of the red shifts, or
Hubble’s law. It states that the recession velocity of a galaxy is
proportional to its distance. The ratio of the recession velocity of a
galaxy to its distance (generally known as the Hubble constant) is now
estimated to be between 50 and 100 km/sec per mega parsec (1 mega
parse = 1 million parsec, and 1 parsec = 3.258 light years). After
discovering this cosmic phenomenon of red shift, there was no other
plausible explanation for it except the implication that our universe
is indeed steadily expanding. Because galaxies in all directions seem
to recede from our own galaxy, it might be wrongly concluded that the
Milky Way is at the center of the universe. This is not true, as one
can imagine a balloon with evenly spaced dots painted on its outer
surface. As the balloon is blown up, an observer on each spot would
see all the other spots expanding away from it, just as observers from
earth see all the galaxies receding from the Milky Way. This analogy
provides a simple explanation for Hubble’s law: the universe is
expanding like a balloon. This simple cosmological fact, which was
deduced from the red shift phenomenon, less than 70 years ago, had
already been explicitly mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an, 14 centuries
earlier. Thus long precedence of the Qur’an to thousands of scientists
who spent many centuries of astronomical observations and research,
using sophisticated equipments and elaborate physical properties and
mathematical calculations, is a living testimony to the divine purity
of this last revelation and to the authenticity of Prophethood of
Muhammad (pbuh) who received and passed it in its divine purity. The
established fact that our universe is steadily expanding is so vital
for both its physical existence and survival, that it becomes well-
deserving to be mentioned in the Illustrious Qur’an, as one of the
great signs of The Creator (S.W.T.). Not only this, but for our
universe to be steadily expanding at such fantastic rates, without
losing its coherence is one of the most striking and most fascinating
aspects of our existence.



B- The Big Bang, or the initial singularity of our cosmos as indicated
in the Glorious Qur’an: In the Glorious Qur’an we read: “Have not
those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined
together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made
from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Surat Al-
Anbiya' (The Prophets):30).



Early commentators saw in this verse a reflection on the unity of
creation as a dominating factor in the orderly, wonderful universe,
throughout its evolutionary history from one stage to another, which
is true. However, long before discovering the established phenomenon
of the red shift, and its logical consequence of describing our
universe as an expanding one, scientists used Einstein’s theory of
general relativity to extrapolate back in time and came to the
striking conclusion that the universe had actually emerged from a
single, unbelievably small, dense, hot region ( the hot Big Bang model
of the universe). The model was formally proposed by George Gamow in
1948, after a lengthy discussion on other models of the universe by a
number of workers ( e.g. Albert Einstein, 1917; William de Sitter,
1917; Alexander Friedmann, 1922; George Lemaire, 1927, etc.). Lemaitre
is credited for introducing the idea of the “Primeval atom”, where
galaxies originated as fragments, ejected by the explosion of this
atom. In 1948, George Gamow modified Lemaitre hypothesis into the “Big
Bang Theory” of the origin of the universe. In this theory, Gamow
proposed that the universe was created in a gigantic explosion whereby
the various elements observed today were produced within the first few
minutes after the Big Bang, as the extremely high temperature and
density of the universe would fuse subatomic particles into the
chemical elements. More recent calculations indicate that hydrogen and
helium were the primary products of the Big Bang, with heavier
elements being produced later within stars. The extremely high density
within the “primeval atom~ would cause the universe to expand rapidly.
As it expanded, the smoky cloud of hydrogen and helium thus formed
would cool and condense into stars, galaxies, clusters, super
clusters, black holes, etc. This explains the original singularity of
the universe, its explosion, then expansion, as well as the physical
basis of Hubble’s law. As the universe expanded, the residual
radiation (radiant heat) from the Big Bang continued to spread
outwardly and to cool down gradually until about the 3K ( = - 2700 C)
of today. This relic radiation was detected by radio astronomy in
1964, thus providing a direct material evidence for model. Further
evidence in support for this model is provided by the chemical
composition of the observed universe. This amounts to about 74%
hydrogen and 24 * helium (by mass), with only traces of other elements
that in total amount to about 2%. All the recorded hydrogen in the
observed universe and almost all the recorded helium are primordial,
although some helium is currently produced by the process of nuclear
fusion within all the stars since the beginning of creation amounts to
only a small percent. It is calculated that when the universe was 3
minutes old, its temperature must have been 109 0C. At such high
temperature hydrogen was subject to nuclear fusion, leading to the
formation of helium. Theoretical calculations show that the fusion
reactions led to an abundance of about 75% hydrogen and 25% helium,
which is a remarkable agreement with the observed abundance. This
further confirms the hot, Big Bang model for the creation of the
universe. The hot Big Bang model has steadily and successfully battled
other explanations for the origin of the universe, and the model has
been gradually refined with time. The “hot Big Bang model for the
origin of the universe envisages a beginning from an extremely small,
hot, dense initial state some 10 -15 billion years ago. This initial,
minute body exploded, and started to expand, forming the still
expanding, vast, cold universe of today. The model predicts the
formation of nuclei, the relative abundances of certain elements, and
the existence and exact temperature of the cosmic microwave,
background radiation (or the glow of radiation left over from the
initial explosion, which is currently permeating the universe). The
prediction of the cosmic background radiation, made by Ralph A. Alpher
of Union College and Robert Herman of the University of Texas at
Austin, was confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert W. Wilson of Bell
Laboratories in 1964.. Despite its success, the hot Big Bang model
leaves many features of the universe unexplained. For example, the
universe today includes a vast number of regions that could never have
been in causal contact at any stage in their entire history. These
regions are moving away from one another at such a rate that any
information, even traveling at the speed of light, could not cover the
distance between them. This “horizon problem” makes it difficult to
account for the striking uniformity of the cosmic background
radiation. Other unexplained features in the hot Big Bang model
include the “flatness problem”, the origin of large scale structures
such as galaxies, galactic clusters and super clusters, etc. In 1980,
Alan H. Guth of M.I.T. suggested a further refinement of the Big Bang
model which he called “the inflationary universe scenario. In this
scenario, the universe is believed to have started with a very brief,
but exceedingly rapid period of expansion (for about 10-30 second),
matter consisted of scalar-field particles (while in the hot, Big Bang
model, the matter content of the universe is presumed to have been a
uniformly distributed plasma or dust). As mentioned by J.J. Halliwell
(1991), the origin of the universe in the inflationary scenario can be
explained as follows: by following the expansion of the universe
backward in time, the size of this vast, complex universe tends to
zero. Here the strength of the gravitational field and the energy
density of matter tend to infinity. This means that the universe
appears to have emerged from a singularity; a region of infinite
curvature and energy density at which the known laws of physics break
down. These conditions are a consequence of the famous U singularity
theorems”, proved in 1960 by Stephen W. Hawking and Roger Penrose of
the University of Oxford. These theorems showed that under reasonable
assumptions any model of the expanding universe extrapolated backward
in time will encounter an initial singularity. The singularity
theorems do not imply, however, that a singularity will physically
occur. Rather, the theory predicting them - classical general
relativity - breaks down at very high curvatures and must be
superseded by the quantum theory. Near a singularity, space - time
becomes highly curved; its volume shrinks to very small dimensions,
and here only the quantum theory can be applied. Quantum cosmologists
began a few decades ago (since the 1960s) to address the problems of
the origin and evolution of the universe in a more subtle way than
classical astronomy. Quantum cosmology attempts to describe a system -
fundamentally - in terms of its wave function. Yet, many conceptual
and technical difficulties arise. At the singularity, space becomes
infinitely small, and the energy density infinitely great. To look
beyond such a moment, requires a complete, quantum theory of gravity,
which is currently lacking. Whether to accept the hot Big Bang model
of the universe, or its modified inflationary scenario explanations on
the basis of conventional or quantum astronomy, the established fact
is that our universe emerged from a single, infinitesimally small,
dense, hot source. To agree or differ on the events that unfolded
since that moment, including the formation of matter, followed by its
coalescence into galaxies, stars, planets and chemical systems, does
not change the fact of the one singularity from which our universe was
created. The Qur’anic precedence with this fact at time when nobody
had the slightest knowledge of it or even for several centuries after
the revelation was received is indeed most striking. The objective
notion to this Qur’anic verse in the right context of a science course
can indeed be spirit lifting and enlightening for the younger Muslim
generations of students and faculty.

C- The Big Crunch, or the destruction and annihilation of our cosmos
in the Glorious Qur’an: Commenting on the process of destruction,
annihilation and recreation of the universe, the Illustrious Qur’an
reads: “And (remember) the Day when We shall roll up the heavens like
a scroll rolled up for books, as We began the first creation, We shall
repeat it, (it is) a promise binding upon Us. Truly, We shall do
it.” (Surat Al-Anbiya (The Prophets):104).



Early commentators on the Glorious Qur’an, saw in this verse a
divine promise to fold up the universe like a scroll of parchment
folds the contents of books written on its inner side, and that as
Allah (S.W.T.) created all this universe out of nothing, He can
destroy it to nothing, and create an entirely new one. This
interpretation is correct, but from the purely semantic analysis of
the verse it clearly implies that in as much as the present-day
universe started from an initial singularity, its end will come again
to the same form, through the folding and rolling up of the universe
like a scroll folds the letters, words and sentences written inside it
as it is rolled up. In clear concordance with this interpretation, the
most widely accepted “hot Big Bang model” for the origin of our
expanding universe (Gamow, 1948), implies that such expansion cannot
continue for ever, but it has to end in a reverse process of
contraction. Due to such contraction all of the material of the
universe would eventually come back to a central point (exactly
similar to what the universe initially began with), in an implosion
that would annihilate all forms of matter (atoms, molecules,
compounds, planets, stars; galaxies, galactic clusters and super
clusters, etc.). The result would be a singularity-identical to the
initial one - that will explode and start the production of an earth
other than ours and of heavens different from the present-day ones, in
exactly the same way the initial singularity behaved. The scientific
reason behind this expectation is the fact that the motion of
recession of the galaxies in our expanding universe does not proceed
with constant velocity. The force of gravitation attracts these
galaxies, super galaxies and clusters to each other. This mutual
attraction tends to decelerate the expansion, despite the very weak
pull of gravity in view of the enormous inter-galactic distances.
Nevertheless, this very small deceleration can become important in the
long run, to the extent of hindering the process of expansion to a big
halt. If this motion of galactic recession stops, then the galaxies
will begin to fall back towards each other. The universe will then
start to contract, the galaxies will gradually come closer together,
the gravitational pull will become gradually greater, and the
velocities of contraction will be come excessively larger with time.
Finally, the galaxies will collide with one another, and the universe
will collapse in a cosmic implosion, generally described as the “Big
Crunch”. This cosmic disaster will end by an extremely small, hot,
dense singularity, identical to the initial singularity which exploded
in the “First Big Bang”. This second singularity is also expected to
explode in a “Second Big Bang”, leading to a new cosmos. The most
widely accepted scenario of "The First Big Bang”, followed by the
formation of smoky nebulae in which the nuclei of matter started to
form, small and large scale structures started to condense from
fluctuations in the density of matter that would have seeded galaxies,
followed by the expansion (or inflation) of the universe, then its
expected contraction (or Big Crunch), the expected “Second Big Bang”,
followed by the creation of new cosmos, are beautifully described in
the following 5 Qur’anic verses" Have not those who disbelieve known
that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united
piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living
thing. Will they not then believe?" (Surat Al-Anbiya (The Prophets):
30);



"Then He rose over (Istawa) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and
said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly or
unwillingly." They both said: "We come willingly." (Surat Fussilat
(They are explained in detail):11);



"With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend
the vastness of space thereof." (Surat Adh-Dhariyat (The Winds that
Scatter):47) ;



"And (remember) the Day when We shall roll up the heavens like a
scroll rolled up for books, as We began the first creation, We shall
repeat it, (it is) a promise binding upon Us. Truly, We shall do
it." (Surat Al-Anbiya (The Prophets):104) and "On the Day when the
earth will be changed to another earth and so will be the heavens, and
they (all creatures) will appear before Allah, the One, the
Irresistible." (Surat Ibrahim (Abraham):48). In any Islamic science
curriculum such Qur’anic verses cannot be overlooked. These represent
the word of The Creator, in an area (of origin, annihilation and
recreation of the universe) which does not fall within the direct
observation of man. As man’s knowledge in that area cannot exceed the
limit of theorization, these 5 Qur’anic verses come to us as a guiding
light for choosing between heaps of human ideas, that can do no more
than confusing the human intellect.
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/index.p...tName=Universe

Why is it remotely important? There are probably hundreds of thousands
of *real* books on astronomy.

The contents of the Koran are of interest only to those who believe in
fairy tails. Inadequate and uneducated misogynists use it corruptly to
diminish women's rights. (even in countries. like Syria, where a large
majority are Christians)

I'll allow that a stack of Korans (or bibles for that matter) would
allow a child to reach the eyepiece of a tall telescope. So there may
be some astronomical use for these dusty old books after all.

On 7 Sep, 09:59, "Chris.B" wrote:
The contents of the Koran are of interest only to those who believe in
fairy tails. Inadequate and uneducated misogynists use it corruptly to
diminish women's rights. (even in countries. like Syria, where a large
majority are Christians)

Unfortunately. Sexual liberation of women leads to reduced birth
rates, and the Caucasian race will be lost to the Asian race, if the
birth rate in western countries continues to remain so low. Extinction
is a high price to pay for the sexual liberation of women.

On Sep 7, 10:14*am, Zanthius wrote:

Unfortunately. Sexual liberation of women leads to reduced birth
rates, and the Caucasian race will be lost to the Asian race, if the
birth rate in western countries continues to remain so low. Extinction
is a high price to pay for the sexual liberation of women.

Why do so many seem so unnaturally interested in leaving their homes
for the corruption that is the West? Another human adaptation to
overcrowding and lack of potential for personal expression and
expansion in a suffocating religious climate? They should free women
and exploit their labour to financial advantage as we have in the
West. Why do they always feel the need to bring their own rusty
shackles to *our* fancy dress party?

sci.geo.mineralogy removed, off-topic.

"Chris.B" wrote in message
...
Why is it remotely important?


Because it allows us to distinguish between homo sapiens sapiens
(wise intelligent man) and homo neanderthalensis (ragheaded semite
opium smoking bible/koran thumping cretin) so that we know who
to shoot before he blows himself to smithereens and takes some
of us with him.

There are probably hundreds of thousands
of *real* books on astronomy.

Why is that remotely important?




The contents of the Koran are of interest only to those who believe in
fairy tails. Inadequate and uneducated misogynists use it corruptly to
diminish women's rights. (even in countries. like Syria, where a large
majority are Christians)

I'll allow that a stack of Korans (or bibles for that matter) would
allow a child to reach the eyepiece of a tall telescope. So there may
be some astronomical use for these dusty old books after all.

On Sep 7, 10:52*am, "Androcles" wrote:
sci.geo.mineralogy removed, off-topic.

Because it allows us to distinguish between homo sapiens sapiens
(wise intelligent man) and homo neanderthalensis (ragheaded semite
opium smoking bible/koran thumping cretin) so that we know who
to shoot before he blows himself to smithereens and takes some
of us with him

Unless the Muslim minority claim human rights violations when
subjected to sniffer dogs and body searches.

There are probably hundreds of thousands
of *real* books on astronomy.

Why is that remotely important?

Because it is the accepted way for one generation to pass on its
useful discoveries to the next as a foundation for further study
without constant repetition of previous work. It is unfortunate that
the medium is hijacked by an evil few to corrupt our knowledge base
with their fantasies.

What I really resent about Islam is that it is just another facet of
the same stone age flint. The same as the Mafia, communism,
aristocratic wealth=power systems, tribal chiefs, dictators and the
organised churches in suppressing the ability for ordinary people to
generate wealth. The ruling classes all skim off the cream to live in
comfort within their very limited imaginations. Instead of allowing
wealth to grow exponentially from the ground up.

America and Europe achieve exactly the same goals by dumping goods and
foodstuffs on impoverished nations to maintain their own status and
expansion of wealth. Just as they insist on development being provided
by their own companies and labour forces and technology. China is also
firmly on course in this destruction of local potential. The result is
always a petty but impenetrable ceiling on local human potential.

I resent the loss of potential expansion of the human race to fulfill
its glittering potential in the fastest possible time without damaging
the earth or its other inhabitants. Hierarchies which throttle human
potential are a curse on the human race and inevitably lead to loss of
human rights and abject poverty. Corrupt ruling minorities also damage
the planet through exploitation for personal greed in the absence of
external controls. Their use of massive and totally unnecessary
security forces is also a feature of all corrupt systems. These
parasites are as much a load on the people's potential as the Mafia,
Islam and communism. All ensure poverty for the majority in perpetuity
except for the fortunate and corrupt few who always float to the top
like the scum they are. They could all enjoy riches beyond belief if
they had allowed personal freedoms earler.

Now they are the enemy of their own people and must hold the
population in a straitjacket just to maintain their own security as
they lavish millions on their pathetic palaces and personal luxuries.
Once they own a Mercedes or Rolls Royce what purpose has a second? Can
they ride in two cars simultaneously? Are they now so unreliable that
you must have two getaway cars? Can you wear two gold watches without
looking exactly like a toothless, banana republic, village chief? With
his dangling strings of rusting tin cans around the door to his
ramshackle hut and surrounded by his gaggle of wives from endless
forced marriages?

Every cent and penny embezzled, stolen and demanded in bribes not
reinvested in your own population is another bullet hole in your
personal limousine. And another step towards your own personal poverty
and national chaos. The communists destroyed themselves in Prague by
taking away all hope of change for the better. Where and when will you
destroy your own corrupt regimes? You can't rely on Islam forever to
control the masses. Not now the have satellite TV.

"Chris.B" wrote in message
...
On Sep 7, 10:52 am, "Androcles" wrote:
sci.geo.mineralogy removed, off-topic.

Because it allows us to distinguish between homo sapiens sapiens
(wise intelligent man) and homo neanderthalensis (ragheaded semite
opium smoking bible/koran thumping cretin) so that we know who
to shoot before he blows himself to smithereens and takes some
of us with him

Unless the Muslim minority claim human rights violations when
subjected to sniffer dogs and body searches.
===================================

Won't work without a lawyer, which is just an educated neanderthal.
Shoot them too. The only right is might, as war has proven endlessly.




There are probably hundreds of thousands
of *real* books on astronomy.

Why is that remotely important?

Because it is the accepted way for one generation to pass on its
useful discoveries to the next as a foundation for further study
without constant repetition of previous work. It is unfortunate that
the medium is hijacked by an evil few to corrupt our knowledge base
with their fantasies.

What I really resent about Islam is that it is just another facet of
the same stone age flint. The same as the Mafia, communism,
aristocratic wealth=power systems, tribal chiefs, dictators and the
organised churches in suppressing the ability for ordinary people to
generate wealth. The ruling classes all skim off the cream to live in
comfort within their very limited imaginations. Instead of allowing
wealth to grow exponentially from the ground up.

America and Europe achieve exactly the same goals by dumping goods and
foodstuffs on impoverished nations to maintain their own status and
expansion of wealth. Just as they insist on development being provided
by their own companies and labour forces and technology. China is also
firmly on course in this destruction of local potential. The result is
always a petty but impenetrable ceiling on local human potential.

I resent the loss of potential expansion of the human race to fulfill
its glittering potential in the fastest possible time without damaging
the earth or its other inhabitants. Hierarchies which throttle human
potential are a curse on the human race and inevitably lead to loss of
human rights and abject poverty. Corrupt ruling minorities also damage
the planet through exploitation for personal greed in the absence of
external controls. Their use of massive and totally unnecessary
security forces is also a feature of all corrupt systems. These
parasites are as much a load on the people's potential as the Mafia,
Islam and communism. All ensure poverty for the majority in perpetuity
except for the fortunate and corrupt few who always float to the top
like the scum they are. They could all enjoy riches beyond belief if
they had allowed personal freedoms earler.

Now they are the enemy of their own people and must hold the
population in a straitjacket just to maintain their own security as
they lavish millions on their pathetic palaces and personal luxuries.
Once they own a Mercedes or Rolls Royce what purpose has a second? Can
they ride in two cars simultaneously? Are they now so unreliable that
you must have two getaway cars? Can you wear two gold watches without
looking exactly like a toothless, banana republic, village chief? With
his dangling strings of rusting tin cans around the door to his
ramshackle hut and surrounded by his gaggle of wives from endless
forced marriages?

Every cent and penny embezzled, stolen and demanded in bribes not
reinvested in your own population is another bullet hole in your
personal limousine. And another step towards your own personal poverty
and national chaos. The communists destroyed themselves in Prague by
taking away all hope of change for the better. Where and when will you
destroy your own corrupt regimes? You can't rely on Islam forever to
control the masses. Not now the have satellite TV.

==============================================
I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of what social order should be
imposed, but please be relevant. You said:
There are probably hundreds of thousands
of *real* books on astronomy.

I asked:
Why is that remotely important?

Hamady wrote:
By: Dr. / Zaghloul El-Naggar

Religious idiot spammer.(no smiley)

It's not the number of White people vs. darker people that matters.
Just as no one should eat as much as he can, to weigh as much as he can,
Whites shouldn't be trying to maximize their population/consumption.

Should Whites ( with their machines and third-world slaves )
consume more, hastening their end, in drunken-abandon,
like some inner-city junkie on his way out ?

If so, third-world “ slaves � will outlive their White masters.

On Sep 7, 3:45 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:
It's not the number of White people vs. darker people that matters.
Just as no one should eat as much as he can, to weigh as much as he can,
Whites shouldn't be trying to maximize their population/consumption.

Should Whites ( with their machines and third-world slaves )
consume more, hastening their end, in drunken-abandon,
like some inner-city junkie on his way out ?

If so, third-world " slaves " will outlive their White masters.

Try not to be so pessimistic. If we could ban fast food and fizzy,
sugar drinks sales to the lardies and further encourage despotic
dictatorships we could easily outlive "them" by several decades. Put a
weighbridge beside every checkout with flashing lights and sirens to
embarrass the fatties into healthier lifestyles. Job done. ;-)