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On Aug 12, 11:11 pm, (David Williams) wrote:
- However, having a source of oxygen is one thing. Using it for metabolism i - another. There must be "food" for the organism to oxidize. What exists in - Martian soil that an organism could use as food? - How about hydro-carbons? - Ken Have they been detected in Martian soil? dow Methane which is a simple organic molecule has been detected in small amounts from orbit. Methane consisting of carbon and hydrogen is a hydrocarbon. So organics of some form do exist at the surface of Mars. This is not proof of life though since methane being a simple molecule can be produced in purely chemical ways. Some microbes can survive on methane alone of course. It is also interesting that some strains of the perchlorate-metabolizers are autotrophic meaning they do not need to feed on organic compounds. Some can feed on just CO2 from the atmosphere as their sole carbon source. Note though that if the microbes that did not require organic molecules to feed on were found, autotrophs, then the organic molecules in their makeup would be returned to the Martian soil when they died so almost certainly there would exist other microbes that feed on organics in their metabolism on Mars as well. Most Mars scientists who have studied the Viking GCMS (gas chromatography mass spectrometer) now realize that it could have missed low amounts of organics on Mars. For instance the low numbers of organics in the driest parts of Antarctica and the Atacama desert were not detected in experiments using GCMS analog instruments. For this reason most experts on the issue now say that more sensitive organic detectors have to be sent to Mars to decide the question. Here is one article discussing the issue: The limitations on organic detection in Mars-like soils by thermal volatilization-gas chromatography-MS and their implications for the Viking results. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, October 31, 2006 vol. 103 no. 44 16089-16094 "The failure of Viking Lander thermal volatilization (TV) (without or with thermal degradation)-gas chromatography (GC)-MS experiments to detect organics suggests chemical rather than biological interpretations for the reactivity of the martian soil. Here, we report that TV-GC-MS may be blind to low levels of organics on Mars. A comparison between TV-GC-MS and total organics has been conducted for a variety of Mars analog soils. In the Antarctic Dry Valleys and the Atacama and Libyan Deserts we find 10-90 ìg of refractory or graphitic carbon per gram of soil, which would have been undetectable by the Viking TV-GC-MS. In iron-containing soils (jarosites from Rio Tinto and Panoche Valley) and the Mars simulant (palogonite), oxidation of the organic material to carbon dioxide (CO2) by iron oxides and/or their salts drastically attenuates the detection of organics. The release of 50-700 ppm of CO2 by TV-GC-MS in the Viking analysis may indicate that an oxidation of organic material took place. Therefore, the martian surface could have several orders of magnitude more organics than the stated Viking detection limit. Because of the simplicity of sample handling, TV-GC-MS is still considered the standard method for organic detection on future Mars missions. We suggest that the design of future organic instruments for Mars should include other methods to be able to detect extinct and/or extant life." http://www.pnas.org/content/103/44/16089.full Two things are very notable he first, that iron-containing minerals of the type expected to be on Mars would have made the GCMS sensitivity even worse, and second, rather surprisingly, the amounts of CO2 released on heating in the Viking GCMS might actually have indicated that organics *were* present. Bob Clark |
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