UFO COVER-UP EVIDENCE...

There is a new book just out filled with massive
testimony related to a long-term UFO cover-up.

It is called "Disclosure" by Steven M. Greer M.D.

"Academia, the media, and many of our leaders have
trusted authority figures when they have dismissed or
belittled this subject and they have been deceived.
Ironically, the very people who would pride themselves
in not being so gullible as to "believe" in UFOs,
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and related matters
have taken this ridicule and disinformation hook,
line and sinker."
Steven M. Greer M.D.

Check it out.
Discuss it here!

I do not know Dr. Greer nor have any financial interest
in his books or projects.

bjacoby
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Let's not discuss this here! It's slightly off topic. If I want to talk
UFO's, I'll go to a newsgroup devoted to that topic.

My 2 cents... Thanks

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There is a new book just out filled with massive
testimony related to a long-term UFO cover-up.

It is called "Disclosure" by Steven M. Greer M.D.

"Academia, the media, and many of our leaders have
trusted authority figures when they have dismissed or
belittled this subject and they have been deceived.
Ironically, the very people who would pride themselves
in not being so gullible as to "believe" in UFOs,
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and related matters
have taken this ridicule and disinformation hook,
line and sinker."
Steven M. Greer M.D.

Check it out.
Discuss it here!

I do not know Dr. Greer nor have any financial interest
in his books or projects.

bjacoby
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Can I use all the BS in this crap in my garden? Should help make the plants
grow!


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Arthur C. Clarke, The City & The Stars

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There is a new book just out filled with massive
testimony related to a long-term UFO cover-up.

It is called "Disclosure" by Steven M. Greer M.D.

"Academia, the media, and many of our leaders have
trusted authority figures when they have dismissed or
belittled this subject and they have been deceived.
Ironically, the very people who would pride themselves
in not being so gullible as to "believe" in UFOs,
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and related matters
have taken this ridicule and disinformation hook,
line and sinker."
Steven M. Greer M.D.

Check it out.
Discuss it here!

I do not know Dr. Greer nor have any financial interest
in his books or projects.

bjacoby
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In sci.astro Fred Garvin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:50:09 -0400, Starlord wrote:

Can I use all the BS in this crap in my garden? Should help make the
plants grow!

That stuff isn't even good enough to be used for that.

Interesting. Now doesn't just all of this absolutely MAKE the
point I've been discussing here? Mainstream "science" is
today, religion, NOT science! If it ain't "scripture"
it's "BS". Not worthy of even being looked at, let alone
being discussed! Heads buried deep in the sand! Oh,
and that man who is in that small group of people
who've been to the moon? He's just a Kook and Liar!
Maybe when YOU come back from the moon you might
have a bit more credibility!

You "high priests" are a shame on the profession!

bjacoby
(Wasn't this an interesting little experiment I just performed
to gather data on my subject?

PS. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

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Interesting. Now doesn't just all of this absolutely MAKE the
point I've been discussing here? Mainstream "science" is
today, religion, NOT science! If it ain't "scripture"
it's "BS". Not worthy of even being looked at, let alone
being discussed! Heads buried deep in the sand! Oh,

You mean if it's not backed up by scientific evidence? You're exactly
right.

-tom

To start off with, I've been in many areas where there was suppost to e a lot of
ufo stuff going on. Not once have I ever seen something that I couldn't figure
out what is was.

second, unlike star trek and other sci-fi, the speed of light IS the speed
limit.

3rd, I've spend a many of nights out with my scopes and have yet to see a ufo.

and the biggest thing, IF there where as many ufo's as the ufoers say there is
every day, the ufo's would have to have a station in earth orbit to act as a ufo
flight controler.



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towards an east that would not know another dawn.
But elsewhere the stars were still young and the light of morning
lingered: and along the path he once had followed, man would one day go
again."

Arthur C. Clarke, The City & The Stars

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In sci.astro Fred Garvin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:50:09 -0400, Starlord wrote:

Can I use all the BS in this crap in my garden? Should help make the
plants grow!

That stuff isn't even good enough to be used for that.

Interesting. Now doesn't just all of this absolutely MAKE the
point I've been discussing here? Mainstream "science" is
today, religion, NOT science! If it ain't "scripture"
it's "BS". Not worthy of even being looked at, let alone
being discussed! Heads buried deep in the sand! Oh,
and that man who is in that small group of people
who've been to the moon? He's just a Kook and Liar!
Maybe when YOU come back from the moon you might
have a bit more credibility!

You "high priests" are a shame on the profession!

bjacoby
(Wasn't this an interesting little experiment I just performed
to gather data on my subject?

PS. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

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In sci.astro Fred Garvin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:50:09 -0400, Starlord wrote:

Can I use all the BS in this crap in my garden? Should help make the
plants grow!

That stuff isn't even good enough to be used for that.

Interesting. Now doesn't just all of this absolutely MAKE the
point I've been discussing here? Mainstream "science" is
today, religion, NOT science! If it ain't "scripture"
it's "BS". Not worthy of even being looked at, let alone
being discussed! Heads buried deep in the sand! Oh,
and that man who is in that small group of people
who've been to the moon? He's just a Kook and Liar!
Maybe when YOU come back from the moon you might
have a bit more credibility!

The old, tired litany of the frustrated pseudoscientist. "If a scientist
refuses to even consider my patently goofy notions, they must be true."

What in the world makes you think that UFOs have *not* been looked into by
mainstream science? They have, and every single time anything resembling
evidence has been found utterly wanting. It ain't up to the scientists to
prove anything. You think UFOs are spacecraft piloted by aliens? Well, then,
you prove it.

RM

In sci.astro mykrowyre wrote:
Interesting. Now doesn't just all of this absolutely MAKE the
point I've been discussing here? Mainstream "science" is
today, religion, NOT science! If it ain't "scripture"
it's "BS". Not worthy of even being looked at, let alone
being discussed! Heads buried deep in the sand! Oh,

You mean if it's not backed up by scientific evidence? You're exactly
right.

Ah, OK. Now let's discuss what exactly is "scientific evidence"?
Here people are used to physical science where one has
voltmeters and meter sticks, but is that the ONLY thing
that qualifies as "scientific evidence"? Testimony
is usually acceptable in a court of law. It's also
acceptable in physical science as well. One scientist
observe a phenomenon and gives testimony as to what he
saw. Now if the phenomenon is readily repeatable,
there isn't problem. Others just go repeat the experiment
and give their testimony. But what if the phenomenon
is transitory and rare? I used the example lightening
before. Does this now mean that the testimony is to
be dismissed totally out of hand? And what kind of
"science" is it that boldly states that if the
experiment is not readily repeatable, the phenomenon
cannot exist and FURTHERMORE should never even
be questioned or studied? You call that a proper
attitude for a natural philosopher?

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In sci.astro Starlord wrote:
To start off with, I've been in many areas where there was suppost to e a lot of
ufo stuff going on. Not once have I ever seen something that I couldn't figure
out what is was.

To start off with, I've been in lots of storms and high winds
and bad weather and I've NEVER ONCE personally viewed a tornado!
Sure I've seen the Hollywood movies with the cow being sucked
up and all, but that was just make believe. I really think
this whole tornado thing needs a serious debunking!

second, unlike star trek and other sci-fi, the speed of light IS the speed
limit.

Um, according your your puny, primative earthling science, perhaps!

3rd, I've spend a many of nights out with my scopes and have yet to see a ufo.

I think this is the same as your number one.

and the biggest thing, IF there where as many ufo's as the ufoers say there is
every day, the ufo's would have to have a station in earth orbit to act as a ufo
flight controler.

Are going to attempt to "prove the negative" that they don't?

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In sci.astro Ron Miller wrote:

The old, tired litany of the frustrated pseudoscientist. "If a scientist
refuses to even consider my patently goofy notions, they must be true."

Just which "patently goofy" notions are you attempting to attribute to
me? I do not recall putting forth any such. (with the possible exception
of my ideas on the Red Shift)

What in the world makes you think that UFOs have *not* been looked into by
mainstream science? They have, and every single time anything resembling
evidence has been found utterly wanting. It ain't up to the scientists to
prove anything. You think UFOs are spacecraft piloted by aliens? Well, then,
you prove it.

I believe the term "utterly wanting" is a bit of an overstatement.
What was it, something like a third of the Bluebook cases
remained "unexplained"? Sure, the Condon report found evidence
"utterly wanting", but did you read the minority dissent by the
portion of the project staff that strongly disagreed with the
findings. The point is not which group of scientists is correct,
the point is at least they were acting like scientists and
gathering data and trying to understand it. Are these people
therefore kooks?

And you are correct it isn't up to scientists to "prove"
anything. But it is for them to try to understand the
world in which we live. To rope off certain areas with
ridicule as "off limits" hardly seems scientific to me.
The question is not what I or any other serious observer
"thinks" is the basis of the phenomena. I'm not trying
here to "prove" anybody's theory. My point is simply that
such theorizing and discussion is good science and a priori
rejection of the topic is a pitiful excuse for science.

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