Hard To Comprehend....

If the Big Bang is seen as the defining event that CREATED space, time,
matter, energy and gravity. An event so powerful that the universe is
still reeling from it.

What force or colliding forces could have existed in "nothingness" that
could produce such an outcome?

Please forgive me if this naive, I'm brand new to this group and the
only basis for this question is my limited knowledge and imagination.

I desperately want a clearer comprehension of the birth of the universe,
the birth of our galaxy and our tiny role in it.

Thanks for your patience!
John

"JoLeReE" wrote in message ...
If the Big Bang is seen as the defining event that CREATED space, time,
matter, energy and gravity. An event so powerful that the universe is
still reeling from it.

What force or colliding forces could have existed in "nothingness" that
could produce such an outcome?

Please forgive me if this naive, I'm brand new to this group and the
only basis for this question is my limited knowledge and imagination.

I desperately want a clearer comprehension of the birth of the universe,
the birth of our galaxy and our tiny role in it.

Thanks for your patience!
John

John, you're still stuck in 3D thinking. For something to "have existed"
requires a timeframe.

The answer to "what existed before the BB" is the same as "what's
inside (or on the other side of) a black hole". It is and always will be
a theoretical question, beyond proof or even logical comprehension.
And good thing: the ultimate nightmare would be to live in a universe
where everything is understood and that has no mysteries.

Hey Painius, you wanta take a crack at this one? :-)

"JoLeReE" wrote in message
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If the Big Bang is seen as the defining event that CREATED space, time,
matter, energy and gravity. An event so powerful that the universe is
still reeling from it.

The Big Bang can hardly create the universe. Is is just an explosion.
When you blow up a 4th of July firecracker, does it create dogs and cats
and birds and fish?


What force or colliding forces could have existed in "nothingness" that
could produce such an outcome?


I always imagined that reality could no longer stand non-existence.
Of course there would have to be more to it than that...


Please forgive me if this naive, I'm brand new to this group and the only
basis for this question is my limited knowledge and imagination.

I desperately want a clearer comprehension of the birth of the universe,
the birth of our galaxy and our tiny role in it.

IMO, our role in the universe is to have fun.
First, to do all the work necessary to be what one wants to be,
and then, just to have fun, forever and ever.

"JoLeReE" wrote in message
...
If the Big Bang is seen as the defining event that CREATED space, time,
matter, energy and gravity. An event so powerful that the universe is
still reeling from it.

What force or colliding forces could have existed in "nothingness" that
could produce such an outcome?

First, you have to believe in an oscillating Universe, one which is created
in a Big Bang, then expands, reaches equilibrium and then collapes back unto
itself in a cataclysm trillions of times more powerful than any supernova.
Think of it in terms of mother Nature recycling the trash that has
accumulated across her Universe.

There are those who will argue against the above hypotheseis, but
unfortunately, other than ranting on about multiple Universes, multiple
dimensions (up to 11), space-time continuums, plank length and a host of
other incomprehensible physio-babble, most of which remains wishful thinking
by a lunatic fringe. They are merely throwing **** against a wall in the
desperate hope that some of it will stick.

Please forgive me if this naive, I'm brand new to this group and the only
basis for this question is my limited knowledge and imagination.

There is no need to apologize, for there is no such thing as a dumb
question. You should be much more concerned about the host of dumb-ass
answers your innocent question will spawn, providing you with hours of
laughter and giving you some insight into the twisted minds of these self
proclaimed scientist imitators.

I desperately want a clearer comprehension of the birth of the universe,
the birth of our galaxy and our tiny role in it.

Presently, the Big Bang is the univerally accepted theory (emphasis on
Theory). We don't even know how far the Cosmos stretches, since even our
most sophisticated instruments limit our view to roughly 10BLYs and reverse
calculations of the present day expansion and examination of the Cosmic
Background Radiation came up with a generally accepted origin of everything
approximately 13.5BY ago.

Some food for thought: in the first few moments after the Big Bang, when sub
atomic particles began to assemble to the more familiar forms we recognize
today, matter and anti-matter were created in almost equal proportions. For
every 1,000,000 anti-matter particles, 1,000,001 matter particles were
created. Matter and anti-matter annihilated each other, leaving only the
one part per billion of matter, which constitutes our presently visible
Universe. But what happened to the ashes of the anihilation ? Possibly it
is the Dark Matter/Energy permeating the Cosmos, but which we haven't been
able to pinpoint as yet.

Thanks for your patience!
John

You're welcome. Be sure to read Brad Guthball's inevitable commentary and
mark it down as the inane ramblings of a total nutter.

On Jul 29, 7:25*am, "Hagar" wrote:

First, you have to believe in an oscillating Universe, one which is created
in a Big Bang, then expands, reaches equilibrium and then collapes back unto
itself in a cataclysm trillions of times more powerful than any supernova..
Think of it in terms of mother Nature recycling the trash that has
accumulated across her Universe.

The reciprocating or 'oscillating' model makes total sense except for
the current belief in "ever-accelerating expansion" which implies an
open-ended entropic heat death with no chance of a reciprochal 'Big
Crunch'. HOWEVER, if the "ever-accelerating expansion" idea is shown
to be a grand illusion based on the presumed "void-ness" of space,
this would put the 'oscillating' model back on the table again, with
the equalizing Big Crunch looming in the far future.
Under the Oscillating model, there is the initial
accelerating expansion, de-acceleration, and transition to the
Contraction phase (like the reversal of a pendulum's swing or the
passing of a solstice). The beginning of Contraction also marks the
onset of *reversal of thermodynamic entropy* of the system. Watch for
a fusillade of hard squawks at this idea. :-)
So now you've posited a BB-to-'Big Crunch'
reciprocation as envisioned from our little vantage point here
somewhere near the midrange of the cycle. But we've come back to the
original question - what lies on the 'other side' of the BB? What
level of energy powered it and then re-compresses for the NEXT cycle?
What unseen, overarching Process might there be, of which our
existance and our whole visible cosmos is but a mere 'snapshot in
time'?

"JoLeReE" wrote...
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If the Big Bang is seen as the defining event that CREATED space, time,
matter, energy and gravity. An event so powerful that the universe is
still reeling from it.

What force or colliding forces could have existed in "nothingness" that
could produce such an outcome?

You have just described an impossibility. How could
any force or colliding forces exist in "nothingness"?

Also, your implication above is clear. You are talking
about a TIME that was BEFORE the Big Bang, and
according to the theory, words like "time", "before",
and any other words that refer to the ideas of time
have absolutely no meaning until time came into
being. And time only existed AFTER the Big Bang.

Please forgive me if this naive, I'm brand new to this group and the only
basis for this question is my limited knowledge and imagination.

I desperately want a clearer comprehension of the birth of the universe,
the birth of our galaxy and our tiny role in it.

Thanks for your patience!
John

You are not alone, John. For science to herald the
Big Bang theory as the most likely way for our big,
awesome Universe to have been born says volumes
about the as yet infantile level of cosmology.

There are two reasons for this...

1) When the Big Bang theory was formulated, all
astronomy had were observations from Earth. As
you might guess, such observations were distorted
to high degree by such things as Earth's atmosphere,
inferiority of the telescopes of the time, and so on,

2) Even now, when we have better scopes, some of
which are out in space and beyond the distortions of
the atmosphere, rather than keep an open mind and
view new observations objectively, they are all seen
in the "light" of the tired, old (yet deeply entrenched)
Big Bang theory. The new observations are made to
fit the old theory. So now we have weird stuff like
dark matter and dark energy, and oh yes, lest we
forget, stuff from quantum physics like, for example,
the "uncertainty principle" (UP).

To answer your question, the "force" that was the
catalyst for the Big Bang is believed by science to
have been the UP. Science now postulates that the
UP allows for what is called "a disturbance in the
continuum" that provoked the Big Bang and led to the
Cosmos we see today.

Personally, i don't think science really has a clue. It's
not easy to come up with a theory that everybody will
like. People cannot seem to handle infinity very well,
so it wouldn't be a good idea to support any theory
that says that the Universe has always been, and will
always be. People like things that begin and end, so
it's best to support a theory that says that the Cosmos
had a beginning, and will some day have an ending.

Just like any good fairytale. g

Have you noted the mysterious similarities between
the Big Bang of science and many religious origin
stories?

Here's an interesting idea...

http://tinyurl.com/ContinuousBigBang

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

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"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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Hey Painius, you wanta take a crack at this one? :-)

Okay.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net