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Old July 17th 08, 08:41 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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"Discover" magazine has an article in its August 2008 issue called
"What Fills the Emptiness" about the mystery of what space really is.
John Baez of sci.physics.reasearch fame, is extensively quoted.

""The vacuum is one of the places where our knowledge fizzles out and
we are left with all sorts of crazy-sounbing ideas," says john Baez, a
mathematical physicist of the University of California at Riverside."

He says he hopes that attempts to extract energy from the vacuum are
unsucessfull becasue:

"If you could extract energy from the vacuum, it would mean the vacuum
is not stable."

The auther of the article follows out the line of logic:

"If some clever engineer were ever to extract energy from the vacuum,
it could set off a chain reaction that would spread at the speed of
light and destroy the universe."

""Probably whatever is true will in fact be crazy, because
historically the truth in physics alwats seems to be more far out than
than anything you could have imagined," Baez says""

Double-A

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Old July 17th 08, 08:56 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Jul 17, 1:41 pm, Double-A wrote:
"Discover" magazine has an article in its August 2008 issue called
"What Fills the Emptiness" about the mystery of what space really is.
John Baez of sci.physics.reasearch fame, is extensively quoted.

""The vacuum is one of the places where our knowledge fizzles out and
we are left with all sorts of crazy-sounbing ideas," says john Baez, a
mathematical physicist of the University of California at Riverside."

He says he hopes that attempts to extract energy from the vacuum are
unsucessfull becasue:

"If you could extract energy from the vacuum, it would mean the vacuum
is not stable."

The auther of the article follows out the line of logic:

"If some clever engineer were ever to extract energy from the vacuum,
it could set off a chain reaction that would spread at the speed of
light and destroy the universe."

""Probably whatever is true will in fact be crazy, because
historically the truth in physics alwats seems to be more far out than
than anything you could have imagined," Baez says""

Double-A


Maybe Art Deco will get his strangelet transformed world yet!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...der_judgement/

Feds urge court to dismiss lawsuit protecting life on Earth
'We'll take our chances with the strangelets'
By Burke Hansen $B"*(B More by this author
Published Monday 30th June 2008 22:22 GMT
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The US government has asked a court to throw out a lawsuit that seeks
to stop the world from ending.
Late last week, federal lawyers along with other defendants asked for
summary judgment in a lawsuit designed to halt the start-up of the
most powerful particle accelerator yet built. The lawsuit, which was
filed in Hawaii last March by Luis Sancho, a Spanish science writer,
and Walter Wagner, a retired radiation expert, against the European
Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, and its American quislings, the
Department of Energy, the National Science Foundation and the Fermi
National Accelerator Laboratory, claims that the Large Hadron Collider
could create microscopic black holes, strangelets and the ominous-
sounding "magnetic monopoles."

The collider will smash subatomic particles together at close to the
speed of light in search of ever more fundamental principles of
physics, but Sancho and his cohorts contend that the collider runs the
risk of creating new and dangerous particles with the potential to
devour the earth.
The so-called "strangelets" would in theory be created when the quarks
that form the basis of the atom recombine to form novel, more stable
quarks that would then fuse with normal matter. As the complaint
warns, "repeated fusions would result in a runaway fusion reaction,
eventually converting Earth to a strangelet of huge size."
The lawsuit also contends that there is a very real possibility that
the collision of matter at near light speed will result in an
implosion and the creation of a miniaturized black hole, and
"eventually all of Earth would fall into such growing micro-black
hole, converting Earth to a medium size black hole, around which would
orbit the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc."
Not to be outdone by known hazards such as black holes, the complaint
claims that magnetic monopoles are massive magnetic particles that
would catalyze the decay of "protons and atoms, causing them to
convert into other types of matter in a runaway reaction."
Attorneys for the Department of Justice moved to dismiss the complaint
on a variety of grounds, not least of which is its theatrical
absurdity. Government attorneys argued in supporting memoranda that
the case was moot, since the American contribution to the project had
already been made, and that, regardless, the United States was not
part of CERN. An American injunction would consequently have no impact
on the operation of the accelerator.
Government filings also note that this is not Mr. Wagner's first
rodeo, so to speak - he filed an almost identical lawsuit against the
Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, or RHIC, in 1999, to no avail - the
complaint was dismissed for lack of credible scientific foundation.
The motions for summary judgment and dismissal will be heard on Sept.
2, 2008, giving us at least a couple of summer months to enjoy life as
we know it. (R)

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Old July 18th 08, 12:52 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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DoubleA The universe has no emptiness. It is wall to wall with some
thing. The BB was just a fluctuating in the fabric of space Just a bad
wave function.took place. Best to keep in mind that QM is founded on
probability waves Bert

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Old July 18th 08, 07:51 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Jul 18, 4:52*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
DoubleA *The universe has no emptiness. It is wall to wall with some
thing. The BB was just a fluctuating in the fabric of space *Just a bad
wave function.took place. *Best to keep in mind that QM is founded on
probability waves * Bert



Did you know that the force of the Casimir effect wasn't actually
measured until 1997?

Double-A

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Old July 22nd 08, 05:42 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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DoubleA Space between all that immersed in it are awash in its very
long waves and short fields. It is not a field of dreams(no hocus pocus)
Its structure is gravity. Think of space gravity as one might think of a
spider web. Bert

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Old July 22nd 08, 06:39 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Jul 18, 4:52 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
DoubleA The universe has no emptiness. It is wall to wall with some
thing. The BB was just a fluctuating in the fabric of space Just a bad
wave function.took place. Best to keep in mind that QM is founded on
probability waves Bert


That's very truth worthy. However, too bad we're still not smart
enough for having any platform of robotic and rad-hard science
instruments situated within the 1e-21 bar of the near vacuum of our
extremely nearby Selene/moon L1.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

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Old July 22nd 08, 06:44 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Jul 22, 9:42 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
DoubleA Space between all that immersed in it are awash in its very
long waves and short fields. It is not a field of dreams(no hocus pocus)
Its structure is gravity. Think of space gravity as one might think of a
spider web. Bert


The entire universe average mass-density of less than 0.1 atom/m3
(possibly worth as little as 1 atom/km3), is otherwise chuck full of
photons and gravitons, not to mention them pesky black hole cores of
antimatter.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


 




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