How does the Tokamak work?

"Charles Cagle" ha scritto nel messaggio
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In article , Cyril Meynier
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le Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:31 GMT, Charles Cagle a
pensé, ce qui, en soi, l'a déjà classé dans une petite élite. Pour
être plus précis, il/elle a pensé que :

In reality it doesn't work. Or rather it works quite well as a device
used to extract money from taxpayers so as to keep an army of welfare
queens in white coats employed so that they can send their kids to
college without ever really having provided anything of value for this
nation.

One could say exactly the same about wind power 30 years ago, about
railways in 1820, rocketry in 1950, nuclear (fission) power in 1960,
computers in 1940, and so on.

Absolute bull**** response
[snip, seulement pour sauver nos pauvres cerveaux]
(en anglais, je m'excuse) Don't mind him, he can't help hurling insults to
anybody who isn't himself... ending up to excoriate some of the most
cognoscenti here about, as you probably noticed from other (genuinely
qualified) posts.
(hmmm, feels a bit better now. Apologies for the "venting" :-)

Slan,
Frances

In article , Frances
wrote:

"Charles Cagle" ha scritto nel messaggio
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In article , Cyril Meynier
wrote:

le Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:31 GMT, Charles Cagle a
pensé, ce qui, en soi, l'a déjà classé dans une petite élite. Pour
être plus précis, il/elle a pensé que :

In reality it doesn't work. Or rather it works quite well as a device
used to extract money from taxpayers so as to keep an army of welfare
queens in white coats employed so that they can send their kids to
college without ever really having provided anything of value for this
nation.

One could say exactly the same about wind power 30 years ago, about
railways in 1820, rocketry in 1950, nuclear (fission) power in 1960,
computers in 1940, and so on.

Absolute bull**** response
[snip, seulement pour sauver nos pauvres cerveaux]
(en anglais, je m'excuse) Don't mind him, he can't help hurling insults to
anybody who isn't himself... ending up to excoriate some of the most
cognoscenti here about, as you probably noticed from other (genuinely
qualified) posts.
(hmmm, feels a bit better now. Apologies for the "venting" :-)

Slan,
Frances

Fish and reptiles (snakes, etc.) have vents. Nice to see that you have
identified yourself.

CC

~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~


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(hmmm, feels a bit better now. Apologies for the "venting" :-)

Slan,
Frances

Fish and reptiles (snakes, etc.) have vents. Nice to see that you have
identified yourself.

CC

Wow... Charles !

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Mining Pioneer wrote:

Very nasty and complete inappropriate answer to dear Charles Cagle !
The consensus has been met to assassinate people in the past and burn them
at the stake indeed !

... and this exactly what we are witnessing right here ! ....taking place
under our very eyes indeed !!!
... and no one lifts a little finger to prevent such unfair dealing with one
of the most brilliant free mind on sci.physics !

I personally do not agree with many of the things Mr Charles Cagle says ...
but on the other hand I admire his courage, his intelligence leading him to
admit facts definitively demonstrated by the True Geology ( although Mr
Cagle has no training in Geology ) and particularly the Earth Expansion
effect !!!
( although wrongly attributed to mass generation ... but this is a details
which can be corrected with proper tuition )

Okay then ... Is Charles Cagle the new Giordano Bruno and are we back in
1600 ???

Wondering ?

Best regards

Jean-Paul Turcaud, don't defend me. I can do well enough without your
support, perhaps even better. Mass generation is a real phenomenon.
During Project Sherwood (a U.S. program to control fusion that ran from
1951 to 1958) scientists generated numerous bursts of neutrons which
did not originate from fusion related processes. By the time they
closed the program down in 1958 they still were at a loss to explain
the origin of those bursts which produced 10e8 neutrons at a time. It
doesn't matter if you believe in matter generation or not. It's a real
process and it occurs in the cores of planets and stars.

CC.

Plasma fusion didn't work. But a lot of physicists was convinced that it
will work at the time by a forceful propaganda of some clever con artist
physicist in the top level. Where money goes, justification can easily
follow.

Mass deception of some kind.

In the future, science project must be evaluated by a group of pro and con
scisntists to make sure people's valuable tax is not wasted to something
that will bring nothing.


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"Charles Cagle" ha scritto nel messaggio
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In article , Frances
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"Charles Cagle" ha scritto nel messaggio
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In article , Cyril
Meynier
wrote:

le Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:31 GMT, Charles Cagle

a
pensé, ce qui, en soi, l'a déjà classé dans une petite élite. Pour
être plus précis, il/elle a pensé que :

In reality it doesn't work. Or rather it works quite well as a
device
used to extract money from taxpayers so as to keep an army of
welfare
queens in white coats employed so that they can send their kids
to
college without ever really having provided anything of value for
this
nation.

One could say exactly the same about wind power 30 years ago,
about
railways in 1820, rocketry in 1950, nuclear (fission) power in
1960,
computers in 1940, and so on.

Absolute bull**** response
[snip, seulement pour sauver nos pauvres cerveaux]
(en anglais, je m'excuse) Don't mind him, he can't help hurling
insults
to
anybody who isn't himself... ending up to excoriate some of the most
cognoscenti here about, as you probably noticed from other (genuinely
qualified) posts.
(hmmm, feels a bit better now. Apologies for the "venting" :-)

Slan,
Frances

Fish and reptiles (snakes, etc.) have vents. Nice to see that you have
identified yourself.

CC
Well now, this will be the end of it (ooh no, CC will always want to have
the last word! Therefore *Plonk!*): what's wrong with fish and reptiles
(and
thanx 4 explaining that snakes should be in that species, ih ih!)??? And,
oh, also nuclear reactors have very important ventings, can I claim to be
one, please? I'd love it.
Adieu

Supertech ), in article , wrote:
(...)
In the future, science project must be evaluated by a group of pro and con
scisntists to make sure people's valuable tax is not wasted to something
that will bring nothing.

Heh. HA! Not as long as politicians are. What is politics, anyway, the
world's second oldest profession? Trust Og. Og play with you in cave.
Og put chicken in your pot before he start ****ing you. Og never ****
with anyone else before, so Og not get your **** dirty. Trust Og.

In article JSJ6b.2355$f7.173333@localhost, ('')
wrote:

Supertech ), in article
, wrote:
(...)
In the future, science project must be evaluated by a group of pro and con
scisntists to make sure people's valuable tax is not wasted to something
that will bring nothing.

Heh. HA! Not as long as politicians are. What is politics, anyway, the
world's second oldest profession? Trust Og. Og play with you in cave.
Og put chicken in your pot before he start ****ing you. Og never ****
with anyone else before, so Og not get your **** dirty. Trust Og.

I see that you have the fairly early transcript...

In article , Cyril Meynier
wrote:

le Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:31 GMT, Charles Cagle a
pensé, ce qui, en soi, l'a déjà classé dans une petite élite. Pour
être plus précis, il/elle a pensé que :

In reality it doesn't work. Or rather it works quite well as a device
used to extract money from taxpayers so as to keep an army of welfare
queens in white coats employed so that they can send their kids to
college without ever really having provided anything of value for this
nation.

One could say exactly the same about wind power 30 years ago, about
railways in 1820, rocketry in 1950, nuclear (fission) power in 1960,
computers in 1940, and so on.

Absolute nonsense response. Wind power has been used for a thousand
years or more, railways were working in 1820. In 1804, the first
steam locomotive, run on rail, was constructed by Richard Trevithick.
It was used at Pennydarren Iron Works. Then in*1808 Trevithick
constructs a locomotive that can travel about 12 mph. * V-1 and V-2
rockets were killing thousands of Britons in the 1940's, and in
December of 1957, Pennsylvania's Shippingport nuclear reactor became
the first commercial power plant to generate electricity.

So, besides being wrong with respect to the history of certain
technologies you have just dishonestly attempted to conflate working
technologies with a technology that has never worked. No one has ever
built a working nuclear fusion reactor which generates sufficient
energy to even reach breakeven (where the energy put in is equal to the
energy that emerges). It doesn't work now, it hasn't worked in the
past and it isn't going to work in the future using any scheme of
thermonuclear fusion. Even the so-called 'thermonuclear' weapons are
not 'thermonuclear' in the sense that the particles undergo fusion as a
function of their collisional temperature. The basic theories of
nuclear fusion are completely wrong and the most primitive axiom of the
relative motion of quantum particles coupled with Maxwell's equations
prove this without any doubt or error at all.

One of the saddest thing of all in modern science was that Teller's
technical innovations worked to produce a successful fusion weapon but
his ideas about how they work were wrong. This is the world's greatest
example of serenditpitous luck. Fusion weapons work but they don't
work like the designers think they work. They never have. The problem
is that it is nearly impossible to argue with such a level of success.
Who the hell isn't going to believe that your theory is correct if the
weapon you built works? There are historical parallels. The Chinese
had gunpowder for a thousand years and brought its manufacture and
technological usage to a high art but a modern chemist would laugh
aloud at the Chinese gunpowder guildmaster's explanation of how it all
works. We're talking about the fact that physicists have had the
explanation of elementary charged particle interactions wrong. That
doesn't stop them from building really useful technological devices but
that doesn't mean that they actually understand the nature of charge
nor what electrons are. It isn't required to build working technology.
But when you get to the level of building a device that relies upon the
energy yield of nuclear fusion reactions where you want to carefully
control and fine tune the rate of energy output then you have to know
what is going on at the quantum level. Did you know there's a viable
model of how a fusion weapon works which is different from the
explanation believed by the weapon designers themselves? I'm sure it
never occurred to you that such a thing could be possible. And I'm
sure that you would even be unable to listen to the facts about these
matters. There's such comfort in numbers because if you're all wrong,
well, hell, you can still fade away into the anonymity provided by such
a huge crowd of other people who also don't know what the hell they're
talking about.

Charles Cagle