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http://www.firstscience.com/site/art...blackholes.asp
Martin Rees: "This elasticity in the rate of passage of time may seem counter to our intuition. But such intuition is acquired from our everyday environment (and perhaps, even more, that of our remote ancestors), which has offered us no experience of such effects. Few of us have travelled faster than a millionth of the speed of light (the speed of a jet airliner); we live on a planet where the pull of gravity is 1000 billion times weaker than on a neutron star. But time dilation entails no inconsistency or paradox." Bravo Rees bravo Martin! The twin paradox should become "the twin consistency". Yet from time to time (not very often) the selfsame Martin Rees has doubts and organises a private conference: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/519406/posts September 9 2001 "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einsteins theory of relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now also thought to exist.....AMONG THE IDEAS FACING REVISION IS EINSTEINS BELIEF THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME - 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum.....Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact of such ideas that they recently organised a private conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading cosmologists." Pentcho Valev |
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On Mar 17, 11:19*am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...postsSeptember 9 2001 "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einsteins theory of relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now also thought to exist.....AMONG THE IDEAS FACING REVISION IS EINSTEINS BELIEF THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME - 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum.....Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact of such ideas that they recently organised a private conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading cosmologists." Pentcho Valev I think we have a more than enough laws for all those other universes "thought to exist". As soon as we take care of a few obstinate details in the universe we occupy, we should have them all with a few left over. Is someone keeping count? Sue... |
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On Mar 17, 11:40*am, "Sue..." wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:19*am, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...ostsSeptember9 2001 "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einsteins theory of relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now also thought to exist.....AMONG THE IDEAS FACING REVISION IS EINSTEINS BELIEF THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME - 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum.....Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact of such ideas that they recently organised a private conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading cosmologists." Pentcho Valev I think we have a more than enough *laws for all those other universes "thought to exist". *As soon as we take care of a few obstinate details in the universe we occupy, we should have them all with a few left over. Is someone keeping count? Sue... xxein: I am. And I see no accounting. All I see is wishfull thinking and making believe that we understand bwo a theory here and there. But these theories are not congruent. Trying to unite them is going to be a failed effort because we have no 'common' physic among them. Gravity, foremost, because Q's leave them out and let the macro- theories ride rough-shod over what gravity might be. |
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On Mar 18, 7:43*pm, xxein wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:40*am, "Sue..." wrote: On Mar 17, 11:19*am, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...September92001 "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einsteins theory of relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now also thought to exist.....AMONG THE IDEAS FACING REVISION IS EINSTEINS BELIEF THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME - 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum.....Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact of such ideas that they recently organised a private conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading cosmologists." Pentcho Valev I think we have a more than enough *laws for all those other universes "thought to exist". *As soon as we take care of a few obstinate details in the universe we occupy, we should have them all with a few left over. Is someone keeping count? Sue... xxein: *I am. *And I see no accounting. All I see is wishfull thinking and making believe that we understand bwo a theory here and there. But these theories are not congruent. *Trying to unite them is going to be a failed effort because we have no 'common' physic among them. Gravity, foremost, because Q's leave them out and let the macro- theories ride rough-shod over what gravity might be. metric-free law statements have validity in macro- and in micro- domains, because the metric is the one and only reference of what is physically small or large. Hence a pursuit of metric-free options opens the doors to topological explorations in macro- and micro- domains. contemporary physics has remained largely uninformed about the pre- metric discoveries of the early Twenties. Hence no clear distinction emerges between metric-free and metric dependent forms. As a result, forms in physics are introduced in somewhat ad hoc manner, not taking advantage of this chosen opportunity to readdress the physical issues associated with pre-metric physics: e.g., macro- as well as micro- topological structure invoking the invariants of action h and charge e. These options have been either ignored or denied for so long, because a continued use of the traditional dimensional reference system [l, t, m, q] detracts from a topologically more discerning view of physical structure. The idea that physics had its priorities the wrong way around for three quarter century seems outrageous. Yet if true, it deals a devastating blow to those nonclassical procedures that were called upon in the late Twenties and early Thirties. Sooner or later physics will have to take position with respect to the here cited alternative to a nonclassical tradition of so many years. This interpretation alternative is either wrong and of no consequence, or it forces physics to confront a reality it attempts to ignore by taking liberty with nonclassical logic. --EJ Post http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pd2/pd2fre41.htm Sue... |
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Bonjour,
Quel est ton problème ? Tu voudrais devenir Boss à la place du Boss ? Au revoir. Bernard Lempel http://lempel.net "Sue..." a écrit dans le message de news: ... On Mar 18, 7:43 pm, xxein wrote: On Mar 17, 11:40 am, "Sue..." wrote: Blablabla.... Sue... |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:19:46 -0700 (PDT), Pentcho Valev
wrote: Martin Rees: "This elasticity in the rate of passage of time may seem counter to our intuition. But such intuition is acquired from our everyday environment (and perhaps, even more, that of our remote ancestors), which has offered us no experience of such effects. [Hammond] The Baron is an academic horse's ass who doesn't realize that "God" is history's premeir "Relativity effect" and has been observed for over 5,000 years. Unfortunately, the Baron being a typical academic/atheistic fellow traveler is unqualified to engage in a discussion of the recently discovered Relativistic proof that: God = G_uv (curvature of subjective spacetime) discovered and peer published by the American physicist George Hammond. we live on a planet where the pull of gravity is 1000 billion times weaker than on a neutron star. [Hammond] The curvature of "subjective reality" in the average person easily rivals the curvature of "objective reality" near a Black Hole. "God", which is visible to the naked eye and measureable to 3 significant figures experimentally, represents a time dilation of 20% (commonly) and wch. is a curvature that wouldn't be observed astronomically less than R=2.67 M from a Black Hole! The effective relativitistic "gravitational strength of God" is millions of times stronger than terrestrial gravity and easily rivals Black Hole phenomenology! But time dilation entails no inconsistency or paradox." [Hammond] With all due respect Baron it seems to have produced an inconsistency of opinion between the Royal Society and the Vatican. George Hammond, M.S. Physics ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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