"Moon" walks in perspective . .

Uncle Al wrote:


Hey stooopid, who put the corner cube arrays at every Apollo site for
25+ years of worldwide Nordtvedt effect testing?

Boris, the Space Monkey?

Pat

Richard Tobin wrote:

Unconvincing. Why couldn't unmanned missions deposit them?
Anyway there's no point arguing with people like Min.

-- Richard


Have a peek at what's mounted on top of the Lunakod 1 and 2 rovers sometime.

Pat

On 9 Nov 2003 16:02:24 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

Unconvincing. Why couldn't unmanned missions deposit them?

....Because the technology prior to A12 didn't provide for pinpoint
accuracy landing. An unmanned probe would have had to not only land
where targeted, it would have also had to position the reflector
properly so that it faced Earth correctly.

As for Min, what needs to happen is for us to find a hacker who'll
help track Min down and expose his true identity. Once that happens,
we'll have a clear path to take actions that will eliminate him from
usenet once and for all...

OM

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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:28:58 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Hey stooopid, who put the corner cube arrays at every Apollo site for
25+ years of worldwide Nordtvedt effect testing?

Boris, the Space Monkey?

....Remember, Boris couldn't get out of the lander. It was probably the
Selenites.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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In message , OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org writes
On 9 Nov 2003 16:02:24 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

Unconvincing. Why couldn't unmanned missions deposit them?

...Because the technology prior to A12 didn't provide for pinpoint
accuracy landing. An unmanned probe would have had to not only land
where targeted, it would have also had to position the reflector
properly so that it faced Earth correctly.

Well, the Russians did it - after Apollo 11's reflector had been
detected - and there was a proposal to mount one on a Surveyor.
Which doesn't alter the fact that reflectors were deployed and
documented by manned missions, even though the conspiracy nuts say the
documentation photographs show they are faked.
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OM wrote:

...Remember, Boris couldn't get out of the lander.
OM




That's just what the Kremlin WANTED you to think, Mr. SovStooge! Tonight
you go to sleep by the light of a Red Monkey Infested Moon.

Bucky

Herb Schaltegger wrote:

Cue Pat Flannery - we want a writeup on the origin of poor young Brad's
fears of radiation and Atomic Annihilation.



It all started when Brad was just a kid; he had been outside talking to
the cloud animals, and carefully writing down what they said back to
him...suddenly, one of the cloud animals threw a lightning bolt at him,
striking him in the head....at the same moment, a black Cadillac broke
to a halt next to him- the strange purplish glow of its interior
illuminating the two occupants with a sickly pallor.
"Help me..." Brad gasped, his forehead riven by the thunderbolt, his
brainwaves tied in a square-knot.
Two figures emerged into the light of day from the car; both were
dressed entirely in black, and wore dark sunglasses.
"The planet Venus is more often mistaken for a UFO than any other object
in the sky." -said the first.
Brad, not knowing quite what to make of this in his electrically-dazed
state, asked: "Could you take me to the hospital?"
"I'm glad you phrased that as a question." -said the second: "After a
few X-rays....and a little radiation therapy.....they'll know _exactly_
what to do with you."
And this was the answer to the question: "How did Brad Guth's boyhood
jeopardy bring him into contact with the future Governor of Minnesota?"

Pat

OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
On 9 Nov 2003 16:02:24 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

Unconvincing. Why couldn't unmanned missions deposit them?

...Because the technology prior to A12 didn't provide for pinpoint
accuracy landing. An unmanned probe would have had to not only land
where targeted, it would have also had to position the reflector
properly so that it faced Earth correctly.


Orientation of the reflector only needs to be crude.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:05:14 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Where I can buy one that's color matches my von Braun shoes.

....I still want to know whether the Van Halen Belts have been
bootlegged and posted to the binary groups yet.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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Brad Guth replied:
"Sean Massey" wrote in message
...

[...]

"The mechanisms for the lunar recession have been well understood for
decades. In a nutshell, tides cause friction between the oceans and
the ocean floors, which transfers energy from the solid part of the
earth to the oceans. One of the effects of this friction is that the
tidal bulge is off-center, and is located "eastward" of the moon. (So
the high tide actually occurs when the moon is west of overhead.) The
result of the tidal bulge being off center is that there is a torgue
effect placed on the moon, and this in turn transfers energy from the
earth to the moon.

warning, paragraph chopped

The earth's spin rate slows, the moon is speeded in
its orbit and therefor moves further away from the earth.

This is half right, the moon does gain energy, but father orbits have
lower orbital speeds. Orbital dynamics are strange. When a spacecraft
fires the retros, against the direction of motion, it falls into
a lower orbit, and speeds up. When a spacecraft fires it's rockets
in the direction of the orbit, it goes into a higher orbit, and slows
down. The moon obeys the same laws.

Rich

(This
transfer of energy is essentially a transfer of angular momentum,
which is a conserved quantity.) The historical (over geological eras)
rate of recession has varied due to varying amounts of tidal friction
due to shallower or deeper oceans, and the positions of the
continents."

For the benefit of all my loyal critics, I've conceded that there's a
darn good chance that the likes of Tim Thompson has more than a few
valid points as to his version of what's what. This following page is
just another example of my learning from the pros, of accepting other
input, which may even including the likes of what you've just
presented, that I'd not be calling flak, as there actually seems to be
some considerable worth to at least Tim's version of the lunar
recession, if I don't say so myself.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earth-moon-energy.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA http://guthvenus.tripod.com