were is Kim keller

Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

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"Jacques van Oene" wrote in message
.. .
Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

Where were you when he lost his job? Search Google Groups for "kim keller
fired" and you'll find this:

| Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
| From: "Kim Keller"
| Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:07:45 GMT
| Local: Mon, Feb 18 2002 10:07 pm
| Subject: Dear Woohoo:
| Thanks to all for your show of support. It's deeply appreciated. I do want
| to expand a little on the facts surrounding my termination so everyone
| understands. As far as I can tell, NASA PAO had nothing to do with this.
My
| website and posts were evidently discovered while USA security was
| investigating another employee's computer abuse at work - that person and
I
| were both posting to the space.com bulletin board and I think that's how
| they got interested in me. I was fired because my postings about the work
we
| were doing allegedly gave away proprietary information, i.e. time required
| to perform tasks and the number of personnel involved. USA felt this info
| was of sufficient quantity to be considered damaging to company interests.
I
| didn't even realize what I was discussing could be considered that useful
to
| a potential competitor. But ignorance is no excuse, so they felt my
"crime"
| was serious enough to warrant firing. I appealed the decision, a lengthy
| process that just concluded last week, and lost. I did find out that my
| photos were not part of the problem, so I am thinking about putting them
| back on the web.
|
| Again, thanks for your support.
|
| -Kim-

Jeff
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A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

There was also a lot more paranoia around at that time of course. I'm sure
more is now being revealed officially than he ever put on his site. Sad, but
there are always those with knee jerk reactions and they would lose face if
they changed their minds.
Its always good practice to ask before doing anything that affects others
in the field of publicity I found.

Brian

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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Jacques van Oene" wrote in message
.. .
Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

Where were you when he lost his job? Search Google Groups for "kim keller
fired" and you'll find this:

| Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
| From: "Kim Keller"
| Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:07:45 GMT
| Local: Mon, Feb 18 2002 10:07 pm
| Subject: Dear Woohoo:
| Thanks to all for your show of support. It's deeply appreciated. I do
want
| to expand a little on the facts surrounding my termination so everyone
| understands. As far as I can tell, NASA PAO had nothing to do with this.
My
| website and posts were evidently discovered while USA security was
| investigating another employee's computer abuse at work - that person
and I
| were both posting to the space.com bulletin board and I think that's how
| they got interested in me. I was fired because my postings about the
work we
| were doing allegedly gave away proprietary information, i.e. time
required
| to perform tasks and the number of personnel involved. USA felt this
info
| was of sufficient quantity to be considered damaging to company
interests. I
| didn't even realize what I was discussing could be considered that
useful to
| a potential competitor. But ignorance is no excuse, so they felt my
"crime"
| was serious enough to warrant firing. I appealed the decision, a lengthy
| process that just concluded last week, and lost. I did find out that my
| photos were not part of the problem, so I am thinking about putting them
| back on the web.
|
| Again, thanks for your support.
|
| -Kim-

Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
.uk...
There was also a lot more paranoia around at that time of course. I'm sure
more is now being revealed officially than he ever put on his site. Sad,
but there are always those with knee jerk reactions and they would lose
face if they changed their minds.
Its always good practice to ask before doing anything that affects others
in the field of publicity I found.

True. NASA seems to be releasing a lot more information these days than
they used to. Space news sites also exist which provides a bit of anonymity
to the information they provide. Kim was releasing similar information on
public forums using his own name, so he was an easy target for this
company's wrath.

Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

Kim's posted occasionally since leaving the pad rat nest, but I think
the selection of Ares may have slowed him down.

/dps

Jeff Findley wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
.uk...
There was also a lot more paranoia around at that time of course. I'm sure
more is now being revealed officially than he ever put on his site. Sad,
but there are always those with knee jerk reactions and they would lose
face if they changed their minds.
Its always good practice to ask before doing anything that affects others
in the field of publicity I found.

True. NASA seems to be releasing a lot more information these days than
they used to. Space news sites also exist which provides a bit of anonymity
to the information they provide. Kim was releasing similar information on
public forums using his own name, so he was an easy target for this
company's wrath.


Remember it was the private company that fired him not NASA

"Barbara Needham" wrote in message
...
Jeff Findley wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
.uk...
There was also a lot more paranoia around at that time of course. I'm
sure
more is now being revealed officially than he ever put on his site.
Sad,
but there are always those with knee jerk reactions and they would lose
face if they changed their minds.
Its always good practice to ask before doing anything that affects
others
in the field of publicity I found.

True. NASA seems to be releasing a lot more information these days than
they used to. Space news sites also exist which provides a bit of
anonymity
to the information they provide. Kim was releasing similar information
on
public forums using his own name, so he was an easy target for this
company's wrath.


Remember it was the private company that fired him not NASA

That's why I said "he was an easy target for this company's wrath". Still,
NASA seems to release a lot of information these days that is similar to
what Kim used to release (as an employee of a government contractor).

Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:53:41 +0100, "Jacques van Oene"
wrote:

Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

....Yes he did. However, when USA took over Shuttle launch prep ops, he
got fired when he inadvertently got caught up in an investigation on
another employee over what was rumored to be a kiddie porn sting. Kim
wasn't involved, but his info postings were discovered and declared
"proprietary" by USA. Just to be total cocksuckers, USA fired Kim, and
most of us old sci.space.* regulars have desired to see everyone in
the USA upper management responsible suffer some sort of painful,
hideous demise. Kim's info wasn't "proprietary" in the least, as it
was all publically accessable if you knew where to look. Kim was
simply making it easier for us to use it a la Jenkins. What we should
have done when that happened was to write our respective Congressional
reps with demands that USA C&D this sort of crap and rehire Kim on 1st
Amendment grounds.

One day, those responsible will pay. And we'll all be there to laugh
at them, with Kim pressing the button on the "laughter" sign.

OM
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On Jan 4, 4:46 pm, OM wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:53:41 +0100, "Jacques van Oene"

wrote:
Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

...Yes he did. However, when USA took over Shuttle launch prep ops, he
got fired when he inadvertently got caught up in an investigation on
another employee over what was rumored to be a kiddie porn sting. Kim
wasn't involved, but his info postings were discovered and declared
"proprietary" by USA. Just to be total cocksuckers, USA fired Kim, and
most of us old sci.space.* regulars have desired to see everyone in
the USA upper management responsible suffer some sort of painful,
hideous demise. Kim's info wasn't "proprietary" in the least, as it
was all publically accessable if you knew where to look. Kim was
simply making it easier for us to use it a la Jenkins. What we should
have done when that happened was to write our respective Congressional
reps with demands that USA C&D this sort of crap and rehire Kim on 1st
Amendment grounds.

One day, those responsible will pay. And we'll all be there to laugh
at them, with Kim pressing the button on the "laughter" sign.

OM
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Kim is doing fine

On Jan 5, 11:27�am, "Kim Keller" wrote:
"Jacques van Oene" wrote in et.nl...

Who nows what happend to

Kim Keller
Inspector, Fraternal Order of the Pad Rat

who was an active writer to this news group in 1999/2000

He had an ecxelent web site with great Shuttle photo's....

Glad you enjoyed it (while it lasted).

I'm doing fine (according to Jim!) working in NASA's Launch Services
Program. Sorry I've been absent from sci.space, but I kind of lost my
interest in posting.

have you thought of suing or some group suining to get your old job
back? your job might not exist by the time a lawsuit had gone thru the
court but think of the back pay