Russia,China,USA...all interested in moonbase. On dark side of moon !! Facing OUT !

Now I ask....why would anyone build a "missle defense system" facing
AWAY FROM THE PLANET ??!!

Alien attack my friends !!

Note Tom Cruise building a bunker in his backyard because of an
anticipated attack by
the galactic ruler 'Xenu'.


What can we do ?

Personally, when the shooting starts I plan on going to Kentucky and
holeing up in a cave.

On 15 Oct, 20:24, GatherNoMoss wrote:
Now I ask....why would anyone build a "missle defense system" facing
AWAY FROM THE PLANET ??!!

Alien attack my friends !!

No a million mobile phones. The dark side of the Moon is very quiert
and that is its attraction.

Note Tom Cruise building a bunker in his backyard because of an
anticipated attack by
the galactic ruler 'Xenu'.

What can we do ?

Nothing. All ET would ever need to do is install strong AI on the Web
and he could then get us to do whatever he wanted, and elect whoever
he wanted.

Personally, when the shooting starts I plan on going to Kentucky and
holeing up in a cave.

There will be no shootind and that will do n good.


- Ian Parker

On 15 Oct, 20:24, GatherNoMoss wrote:
Now I ask....why would anyone build a "missle defense system" facing
AWAY FROM THE PLANET ??!!

Alien attack my friends !!

Nonsense, it is to get vaway from the mush of a million or so mobile
phones. The dark side of the Moon is exceptionally quiert.

There is an alternative site and that is to go right out and make your
radiotelescope orbit the Sun directly.

Note Tom Cruise building a bunker in his backyard because of an
anticipated attack by
the galactic ruler 'Xenu'.

What can we do ?

Nothing. If ET wanted to take us over he would do it simply by putting
AI on the Web. Nothing else is needed, the President would then simply
let him in. However ET does not exist. The Russians and Chinese don't
believe he does either. They do however believe in the existence of
mobile phones and base stations.

Whether they have the right concept is a moot point. I would be
looking at an array of extremely remote phase locked receivers freely
floating in space.

Personally, when the shooting starts I plan on going to Kentucky and
holeing up in a cave.

That will do you no good at all.


- Ian Parker

Ian Parker wrote:
:
:Nothing. All ET would ever need to do is install strong AI on the Web
:and he could then get us to do whatever he wanted, and elect whoever
:he wanted.
:

This is stupid even for you, Ian...


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On 17 Oct, 02:49, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:

:
:Nothing. All ET would ever need to do is install strong AI on the Web
:and he could then get us to do whatever he wanted, and elect whoever
:he wanted.
:

This is stupid even for you, Ian...

Let us start with a philosophical question. How do we form our views,
what are our sources of information? How do we know they are right?
Television has played an enormous role in forming our views, the US is
in the business of beaming broadcasts into the Middle East.

Suppose we are in a situation where we have RSS feeds. Television is
now tailored for us and what we want. Anyone with strong AI then can
(in essence) make up the news they want. In short they can create a
world for us. Have television send its message. This is so in fiction
as well. One piece of fiction that made me rather cross was when the
Cuban exiles were portrayed as being freedom fighters. In fact they
are a load of thugs.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...nst+cuba&meta=

You talk about Syria and other ME countries. In fact the biggest
exponent of state sponsored terrorism is far nearer home.

If Assad and other leaders were portrayed as people trying to do the
best for their countries in often difficult circumstances, and the
exiles were portrayed as thugs on television, opinion would be very
different.


- Ian Parker

Ian Parker wrote:

:On 17 Oct, 02:49, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Ian Parker wrote:
:
: :
: :Nothing. All ET would ever need to do is install strong AI on the Web
: :and he could then get us to do whatever he wanted, and elect whoever
: :he wanted.
: :
:
: This is stupid even for you, Ian...
:
:
:Let us start with a philosophical question. How do we form our views,
:what are our sources of information? How do we know they are right?
:Television has played an enormous role in forming our views, ...
:

Only if you're a sheep.

:
:... the US is
:in the business of beaming broadcasts into the Middle East.
:

Silly comment.

:
:Suppose we are in a situation where we have RSS feeds. Television is
:now tailored for us and what we want. Anyone with strong AI then can
in essence) make up the news they want. In short they can create a
:world for us.
:

Silly. This kind of thinking may, however, indicate why YOU are such
a loon.

:
:Have television send its message. This is so in fiction
:as well. One piece of fiction that made me rather cross was when the
:Cuban exiles were portrayed as being freedom fighters. In fact they
:are a load of thugs.
:

You need to start watching a different channel, Ian. Something a bit
closer to reality.

:
:You talk about Syria and other ME countries. In fact the biggest
:exponent of state sponsored terrorism is far nearer home.
:

No, YOU keep talking about them, acting as if Syria is the good guys.

They're not.

:
:If Assad and other leaders were portrayed as people trying to do the
:best for their countries in often difficult circumstances, and the
:exiles were portrayed as thugs on television, opinion would be very
:different.
:

But reality stays the same and those who are interested in it will
learn it regardless of how people like you lie about it.

Get interested in it, Ian...


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Let us look at this problem scientifically. If you are right and TV
etc has little effect we would expect everyone in the world to think
the same way. Well not every individual, but there would be no
systematic difference between countries. An Iraqi, Syrian, Cuban would
think the same way as a Westerner.

Your position has a name. It is called Platonism. Platonism is often
discussed in relationship to whether scientific discoveries are
objective. Whether ET would see the Universe in the same way as us. In
Politics Platonism is manifestly untrue. An Arab does have a different
viewpoint from a Westerner and that is due to his information
environment. Suicide bombers and other jihasrdists are not genetically
different from us, they have just had a different information
environment. Dawkins talks about memes, although Einar has said that
memes add nothing to orthodox sociology. Whether you follow Dawkins or
sociology it is clear that our information environment has a
tremendous effect on us.

On the scientific question. Yes Relativity is objective but General
Relativity might not have come so quickly had we lived under
permanently cloudy skies. Eddington actually saw a solar eclipse. You
are the first person I have met who has tried to expand Platonism
outside the scientific field.

The way forward with the world's problems (none of which would exist
in a Platonic world) is to study, and where necessary modify
information environments.


- Ian Parker


- Ian Parker

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0700, in a place far, far away, Ian
Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Let us look at this problem scientifically.

Why would anyone bother to do that with someone like you, who is
manifestly incapable of doing so? Or even of not snipping out all
context so that we know what the hell you're talking about (as if we
cared)?

On 18 Oct, 19:39, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0700, in a place far, far away, Ian
Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Let us look at this problem scientifically.

Why would anyone bother to do that with someone like you, who is
manifestly incapable of doing so? Or even of not snipping out all
context so that we know what the hell you're talking about (as if we
cared)?

You two seem to offer a complete denial of logic. No wonder you are in
the mess you are in Iraq. Thank heaven Gordon Brown has at least shown
some sense.


- Ian Parker

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:05:32 -0700, in a place far, far away, Ian
Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

On 18 Oct, 19:39, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0700, in a place far, far away, Ian
Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Let us look at this problem scientifically.

Why would anyone bother to do that with someone like you, who is
manifestly incapable of doing so? Or even of not snipping out all
context so that we know what the hell you're talking about (as if we
cared)?

You two seem to offer a complete denial of logic.

No, I offer a complete denial of your continued illogic.