RELATIVITY COMPATIBLE WITH THE EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT?

Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

Pentcho Valev

Le Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:35:06 -0700, Pentcho Valev a écrit:

Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am

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On Sep 19, 7:35 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

So hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult want to get rid of 21st
century lunacy and return to 18th century normality:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...dc57864511da9?

Perhaps it is too late:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/ingdahl2.html
"But there has been a marked global decrease of students willing to
study physics, and funding has decreased accordingly. Not only that,
the best students are not heading for studies in physics, finding
other fields more appealing, and science teachers to schools are
getting scarcer in supply. In fact, warning voices are being heard
about the spread of a "scientific illiteracy" where many living in
technologically advanced societies lack the knowledge and the ability
for critical thinking in order to function in their daily
environment."

http://education.guardian.co.uk/scho...648111,00.html
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise
known as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis
in which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools. Thereafter, physics would be restricted to only those
students who could afford to go to posh schools. Britain was the home
of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-
class contributions to understanding gravity, quantum physics and
electromagnetism - and yet the British physicist is now facing
extinction. But so what? Physicists are not as cuddly as pandas, so
who cares if we disappear?"

Pentcho Valev

On Sep 19, 9:35 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure...

Yes, Special and General Relativity are classical theories.
The photoelectric effect is quantum, not classical.

Ultimately, relativity uses the coattails of giants such as Maxwell
and Kelvin to cover more mundane day-to-day operations. All
relativity does is allow one to determine from measurements in your
frame, what another frame would measure.

[Butchery of the French language provided by Google]
Oui, la relativité spéciale et générale sont des théories classiques.
L'effet photoélectrique est quantum, non classique.

Finalement, la relativité emploie les coattails des géants tels que le
Maxwell et le Kelvin pour couvrir des opérations de jour en jour plus
mondaines. Toute la relativité est permettent à on de déterminer à
partir des mesures dans votre armature, ce qu'une autre armature
mesurerait.

David A. Smith

"Pentcho Valev" a ecrit dans le message de news:

[...]

Salut vieux Pentcho
Alors, triste temps sur Sofia ?
C'etait pluvieux sur toute la Bulgarie aujourd'hui ...

La mer noire etait grise et moi je l'etais un peu en la survolant.
J'ai trace au sortir de l'airport par Bryuxel et Tsarigradsko Shosse,
histoire de rencontrer mon contact et hop retour Roissy 3h de vol...

Fait meilleur en France !

@+
--
CDH

On Sep 19, 12:35 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

Pentcho Valev

Pentcho, did you every bother to research the subject in which Dr.
Einstein received his first and only Nobel Prize?

Hint: It had nothing to do with either the Special Theory of
Relativity, or the General Theory of Relativity. Sometimes between
your pontifications, you may just be able to find time to read that
paper that earned him his Nobel Prize. I could share with you its
title and you could Google it for yourself, but that wouldn't be any
fun.

Still, here is a bit of a hint. Take a look at the Nobel Prizes in
Physics for 1921 awarded to Albert Einstein and shared with Niels
Bohr. Einsteins was for "his services to Theoretical Physics and
expecially for his law of the 'photoelectric effect'.

Many if not every real physicist believesthat Einstein should have
received a second Nobel Prize for his work on the 'Special Theory of
Relativity', but as most of us know, that honor was never granted.
Many of us believe that it should be granted today, since so much
practical work today derives from his simple but very profound
observations.

Pentcho, have you ever studied physics at a university level, or are
you simply another of the many web kooks that have literally ruined
sci.physics by posting nonsense that they have learned from crap
popular texts on this newsgroup?

If you would like to have any credibility at all on sci.physics, you
may want to cite the physics courses that you have taken an completed
at a university, and not from a mall bookstore. Otherwise, every
realizes that you are a cluless, non-thinking dork! In truth, most of
the physicists reading this newsgroup (if any others remain) have had
quite enough of your clueless vomit!

Harry C.



Harry C.

On Sep 19, 10:28 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 19, 7:35 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:





Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

So hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult want to get rid of 21st
century lunacy and return to 18th century normality:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...dc57864511da9?

Perhaps it is too late:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/ingdahl2.html
"But there has been a marked global decrease of students willing to
study physics, and funding has decreased accordingly. Not only that,
the best students are not heading for studies in physics, finding
other fields more appealing, and science teachers to schools are
getting scarcer in supply. In fact, warning voices are being heard
about the spread of a "scientific illiteracy" where many living in
technologically advanced societies lack the knowledge and the ability
for critical thinking in order to function in their daily
environment."

http://education.guardian.co.uk/scho...648111,00.html
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise
known as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis
in which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools. Thereafter, physics would be restricted to only those
students who could afford to go to posh schools. Britain was the home
of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-
class contributions to understanding gravity, quantum physics and
electromagnetism - and yet the British physicist is now facing
extinction. But so what? Physicists are not as cuddly as pandas, so
who cares if we disappear?"

Note how carefully hypnotists inform Einstein zombie world that the
emission theory of light has been abandoned because Einstein abandoned
it, not because it is wrong, and that even the cleverest hypnotists
will never know what the divine motives for abandoning we

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teachi...ins/index.html
John Norton: "It [the emission theory of light] was a lovely theory.
But it didn't work. WE CAN ONLY GUESS WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE. But we
know he found many. Indeed Einstein seems to have expended
considerable energy finding trying to figure out if any emission
theory might work. His later recollections are littered with different
reasons for why no emission at all could do justice to
electrodynamics."

Of course, clever hypnotists do know Einstein's motives for abandoning
the emission theory - this theory is incompatible with the field
concept of light (light as CONTINUOUS structures):

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepa...ml#forthcoming
"Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies that Led him to it." in Cambridge
Companion to Einstein, M. Janssen and C. Lehner, eds., Cambridge
University Press. Preprint.
John Norton: "Einstein could not see how to formulate a fully
relativistic electrodynamics merely using his new device of field
transformations. So he considered the possibility of modifying
Maxwell's electrodynamics in order to bring it into accord with an
emission theory of light, such as Newton had originally conceived.
There was some inevitability in these attempts, as long as he held to
classical (Galilean) kinematics. Imagine that some emitter sends out a
light beam at c. According to this kinematics, an observer who moves
past at v in the opposite direction, will see the emitter moving at v
and the light emitted at c+v. This last fact is the defining
characteristic of an emission theory of light: the velocity of the
emitter is added vectorially to the velocity of light emitted....If an
emission theory can be formulated as a field theory, it would seem to
be unable to determine the future course of processes from their state
in the present. As long as Einstein expected a viable theory of light,
electricity and magnetism to be a field theory, these sorts of
objections would render an emission theory of light inadmissible."

Finally, clever hypnotists know the consequences of the fact that
Einstein's light postulate

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ "...light is
always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is
independent of the state of motion of the emitting body."

is consistent with the field concept of light (light as CONTINUOUS
structures):

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...09145525ca.pdf
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot
be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures.
Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."

Pentcho Valev

On Sep 19, 7:35 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult contradict one another but nobody
in Einstein zombie world cares. The numerous contradictions confuse
both relativists and anti-relativists and so Einstein's idiocies
become eternal:

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/HumeMach.pdf
John Norton: "Does this mean that the constancy of the speed of light
is a conventional artifact of how we set our clocks? It does not.
Einstein's definition of simultaneity requires certain facts to
obtain. It would fail if an emission theory of light were true, since
such a theory allows light to have many speeds."

Pentcho Valev

On Sep 20, 1:35 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
....
Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult contradict one
another but nobody in Einstein zombie world cares.

Or cares to read what was written, apparently.

The numerous contradictions confuse both
relativists and anti-relativists and so Einstein's
idiocies become eternal:

OK, so you neither care for the answers nor attempt to comprehend
them. You use this stage to blow chaff, to show your skills at
"reading to support an agenda", and preserve your misrepresentations
for posterity. And blame the fault on others, these "zombies".

Do you notice how similar your own behavior is to a "zombie", Pentcho?

David A. Smith

On 20 , 10:35, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 19, 7:35 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:


Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult are usually obscure but, if I am
not mistaken, below John Stachel clearly states that the theory of
relativity is compatible with the emission theory of light:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of
relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a
satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of
"a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of
relativity."[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the
construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of
electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an
emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances. He maintained that "the next phase in the development
of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light, which may be
regarded as a sort of fusion of the undulatory and emission theories
of light."

Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult contradict one another but nobody
in Einstein zombie world cares. The numerous contradictions confuse
both relativists and anti-relativists and so Einstein's idiocies
become eternal:

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/HumeMach.pdf
John Norton: "Does this mean that the constancy of the speed of light
is a conventional artifact of how we set our clocks? It does not.
Einstein's definition of simultaneity requires certain facts to
obtain. It would fail if an emission theory of light were true, since
such a theory allows light to have many speeds."

Of course the picture would be incomplete without referring to the
contribution made by Einstein's official biograper:

http://www.american.com/archive/2007...made-our-world
Walter Isaacson: The Man Who Made Our World: "In his 1905 papers,
Einstein actually used two apparently contradictory interpretations of
the nature of light. In the paper on light quanta, Einstein had argued
forcefully for the return to Newton's particulate conception of light.
Yet in the same year, in his development of special relativity,
Einstein had rejected a particulate emission theory of light and had
used the traditional Maxwell wave theory. This striking ability to
juggle two viewpoints apparently at odds was characteristic of
Einstein's thought, and often served as a prelude to the
reconciliation of apparently opposed theories."

Bravo Isaacson! "This striking ability to juggle two viewpoints
apparently at odds" is what produced the name Albert the Juggler, but
the same striking ability later converted Albert the Juggler into
Divine Albert (of course, such a conversion can only take place in a
part of the Universe called Einstein zombie world). Clearly,
Isaacson's ideas are closer to John Stachel's discovery than to John
Norton's discovery. It seems that, due to Divine Albert's juggling and
John Stachel's later discoveries, the emission theory's variable speed
of light c'=c+v, where c is the speed of photons relative to the light
source and v is the relative speed of the light source and the
observer, will prove COMPATIBLE with Einstein's light postulate in the
end:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ "...light is
always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is
independent of the state of motion of the emitting body."

Pentcho Valev