On Mar 16, 5:42 pm, Timberwoof
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BradGuth wrote:
W.H. Bradley counted varves in the Green River Formation and estimated
the associated epoch lasted 5 - 8 my . In total 650m thick . Holmes ,
" Principles of Physical Geology "

If you like that sort of swag, and its what makes you a happy camper,
then so be it. I'm not saying that Earth is young, just suggesting
that it didn't have that moon as of prior to 12,500 BP. Earth could
have had some other orbiting factors, even another mascon worthy moon
as of prior to 12,500 BP, although none of that offers an answer as to
accounting for those multiple 100,000 year ice-age cycles (of shorter
cycles as going back in time).

So you're saying that fossils that were probably created by the moon's
tidal effects were not, but were caused by some other equally heavy
object, but which was light enough to have allowed the ice ages to
happen.

Clearly you're looking at every possible weird angle in order to
distort or force out of context the greater intent and goodwill of
this topic.

What I'm saying is that a few million simulations by way of our best
supercomputer(s) couldn't possibly hurt one damn thing.

If you want to forever believe in some previous conjecture or best
mainstream SWAG that is government and/or of whatever's faith-based
published as being the one and only interpretation that's worth all
the tea in China, so to speak, then so be it.


... Even though you have not come up with any reason why the moon's
presence in the past 12000 years is supposed to have stopped ice ages,
which have been happening at roughly 100,000-year intervals for the past
roughly half a million years.

You've got to be kidding. Clearly your nayism mindset is in charge of
your private parts, and/or you have absolutely not a freaking clue
about physics. Do you even think or much less read what you type?

This topic of mine isn't new, as I've tried multiple times before to
get this notion across, and lo and behold it seems nothing has changed
about this anti-think-tank Usenet from naysay hell on Earth. If this
Usenet were of any more nayism, as such it would turn itself into a
black hole, sucking the life out of anything that dares touch or even
gets close to its nayism event horizon.


Interstellar rogue stuff happens all the time,

Why couldn't "Interstellar rogue stuff" be responsible for the ice ages
even with the moon present pretty much since the Earth was created?

I'd agree that an interstellar encounter on the order of an elliptical
100,000 year orbital cycle (more frequent as going back in time) is by
far the most likely cause of our previous ice-ages and subsequent
thaws w/o moon. However, w/moon it has become next to impossible for
this planet to recycle itself back into another ice-age, even if all
human factors were removed and we remained furthest away from the
impressive Sirius star/solar system may forever preclude this planet
from seeing another ice-age.


and as such rogue items are either going to lithobrake

You mean hitting something.

Correct, such as in a direct blow, or as more than likely a glancing
blow, whereas best accomplished as a rear-end sucker-punch kind of
glancing encounter is what could extract sufficient encounter velocity
and transfer of icy mass that could have placed such an icy proto-moon
into orbiting Earth. This may have actually taken more than one
encounter, somewhat like a certain NEO that has been getting closer
each time it comes by.


and/or semi-destruct by way of
encountering something along its path, or otherwise it's going to
eventually end up orbiting something along its path, if not returning
to its origin.

Have you done the math for Earth-moon orbital capture?

No I have not, because I'm either not nearly as Einstein smart as
others like yourself, or more than likely because it's actually
extremely complex considering all of the weird multibody and physical
encounter factors involved. Therefore, we need to employ a
supercomputer that has all of the required physics software within its
vast archive of accomplishing such complex matters as we essentially
go back in time, rather than forward as you folks keep insisting can
be accomplished by way of any old PC.
.. - Brad Guth