"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:17:48 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:


"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:16:29 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" write@bell
the conversions; and making design

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There were only two bidders for Orion--Lockheed Martin and Northrop
Grumman.


So your statement of fact means what?

It means that the notion that Northrop Grumman would have been a
better selection, based on your "evidence," is hilariously dumb.

What was your point, if not that?

I see you snipped this part, because it was what I was responding to:

Was Lockheed the better choice, or were they just better connected?


Get your facts straight please.

I did.

There were initially eleven bidders, three finally submitted
bids and Grumman was partnered with Boeing. t-space, that
included Rutan, was the third bidder. Although Nasa seems
to be rather secretive about whether t-space submitted a bid or not.
http://www.comspacewatch.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14924

None of that obviates the hilarious fact that you used this to beat up
on LM alone,


Their name is first. It's their baby. And yes I was bashing
Lockheed since they deserve it. Even you, an unabashed
NASA apologist, admitted their actions are hard to defend.
Yet attempt to defend Lockheed by diverting the debate to a
rigged bidding process. That I find rather amusing, and I'm
happy to start a new debate over that particular process
if you like.

As I'm certain that debate will uncover all sorts of new
material with which to highlight the emptiness
and corruption behind the "Vision".



when it was clearly a joint LM/NG fiasco. But you'll
continue to flounder and defend it, because you incapable of admitting
error.


And you got that fact, a joint LM/NG project, from my original post.



Face it, NASA is saddled with an ignorant goal created by and for
a corrupt conglomerate. Your beloved NASA is being raped
and you don't even know it.

My "beloved NASA"?


Say something negative about NASA, come on, I dare you~


You're even more of an idiot than you've previously played.


And you argue with me just for the sake of it, not on
merit. Which is why you always lose these debates.
Hint: the loser is the one that ends up shouting personal
insults.


Jonathan

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