From Brad Guth:
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:24:37 PM UTC-7, Stuf4 wrote:

Back in 2011, the JFK Library declassified and released parts of a private
conversation that JFK had with James Webb on September 18, 1963. Here are
some quotes...



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JFK to Webb: "Do you think the lunar, the manned landing on the moon is a
good idea?"


"...this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when you can
go - you can learn most of that you want scientifically through instruments
and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt and it isn't worth that
many billions."


"Why should we spend that kind of dough to put a man on the moon?"

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The transcript is available he

http://www.jfklibrary.org/About-Us/N...-the-Moon.aspx


And the audio is available he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_tVusN1--Y

What amazes me about that JFK Library press release is that they make no
mention of the fact that this conversation happened two days prior to JFK's
speech to the UN General Assembly (September 20, 1963) where he announces
his proposal to pull a 180 on Project Apollo.


It is clear to me that it is this very conversation where we get a look at
JFK's reasoning that he can no longer justify funding Apollo for the
purpose of beating the Russians. He tells Webb about the National Security
purpose, and that if funding is to be continued then they could justify it
as a military program.


But JFK's decision to go ahead two days later and make the grand
announcement to the UN that he wanted to pull the rug out from under NASA
makes it perfectly clear that he had decided that Apollo was no longer
worth the cost.


The biggest thing that changed was that JFK had succeeded in establishing
the Space Treaty as his means for curbing the Nuclear Arms Race. Any
historian who writes about the Space Race without showing how it was
integrally a part of the Cold War Arms Race is simply turning a blind eye.
The facts are overwhelming. I'm glad to know that people like Neil
deGrasse Tyson have an accurate understanding of why NASA was created.


That JFK Library press release states:

"The recorded meeting is open in full without any redactions."

I find this to be extremely curious because they released about 8 minutes
of audio, and this meeting was said to have lasted 46 minutes long. I'd
like to know what they did with the other half hour+ of audio!

The man's been dead for half a century, and the Library says that:

"Approximately 30 hours of un-reviewed meeting tapes remain."

Apparently no one has told them that we live in the Information Age.
Either that, or they've been working extremely hard to preserve the Camelot
myth. I wish someone with the courage of Bradley Manning and Julian
Assange would just post every single minute of those recordings.

I fully understand the need to protect privacy, but after 50 years? Not so
much. Especially when these recording have such value to the accurate
understanding of vital history where the entire human species was hanging
in the balance.

It's also the prime motivation for having JFK whacked. Pulling the pugs on
ARPA/DARPA and NASA (each being extensively run by Operation Paperclip Nazis)
was obviously a very big no-no.

There are SO many reasons that have been presented as to why JFK was off'd. But who highlights his UN speech about pulling a 180 on Apollo as being a factor (let alone prime reason)? His announcement at the UN was on September 20. He was dead by November 22.

During those weeks in between, it's not hard to imagine the urgency that LBJ had in trying to get JFK to change his mind. "Boss, I think you're making a BIG mistake." Whoever else may have aligned with LBJ toward that effort ...before Plan B was implemented.

And space historians have just steamrolled over this speedbump in the accurate story of how humans walked on the Moon.

~ CT