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Brad Guth ) wrote:
: You need to debunk one of Brad's theories (not difficult), but in a manner
: that he feels you're trying to stifle his creative thinking and replace it
: with that of the "Establishment", of which he has many adjectives that
: we're all too familar with.

: Unlike your all-knowing self, not each and every notion that my three
: remaining dyslexic brain cells manage to assemble are worthy of being
: another pot of gold. As I've said dozen and even hundreds of times
: before that I've made my fair share of mistakes, and I certainly have
: no intentions of slowing that process down any time soon. Last time
: I'd checked, even my lose cannons are still on the poopdeck and firing
: at will.

All that aside, have you ever actually made anything? A piece of software
that works, even? I can picture you swearing at the computer, then lumping
Microsoft in with the NSA/MI6 conspiracy that is out to get you...

: Brad takes mental gymnatsics to a whole new level, except that the judging
: process is: Brad on Brad - 10, the rest of the world on Brad - 0.

: Eric Chomko,
: I like the sound of that one, at least it's honesty pit against
: honesty, and there's not even a brown-nose in sight. Of course, I'd
: like to be the one asking the questions, rather than having to
: continually fend off so much incoming flak in the form of naysayism.

Who's naysaying? One just has to learn to separate the wheat from the
chaff.

: Isn't one of the first rules of engineering, that after you come up with
: the a great idea, then being able to communicate it in such a manner that
: other engineers actually get it? I think you know wher I'm going with
: this...

: That's a tough task when you have such limited resources, then having
: nothing but these supposed all-knowing rusemasters as wizards and
: engineers having no apparent sense of humor, much less even a viable
: periscope for looking outside of their own box. It's as though they've
: been petri dish cloned as having been initially conceived and having
: lived entirely within a nuclear submarine all of their naysay lives,
: except without so much as that periscope, and thereby haven't so much
: as a fuzzy clue as to which planet their on.

: There's certainly more to the potentials of Venusian extremophiles,
: exoskeletals, flying diatoms or even somewhat survival smart human like
: forms of other life on Venus than my failing eyes alone have seen.

Brad finding life outside of earth will probably be in the form of single
cell organisms. All this Sci-Fi stuff about life NEVER takes into account
the mundane.

: Here's just a few of the more recent of ongoing topics (aka back
: peddling as fast as each of these suckers can go before the new and
: improved data start arriving from Venus EXPRESS).

: Astrobiology: The Case for Venus by; Geoffrey A. Landis
: http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...003-212310.pdf

: LIFE ON VENUS / By Sean Henahan
: http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA09/venus297.html

: A Scientific Case for Venus Exploration: Venus Express and Beyond II
: Posters
: http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm05/fm0...fm05_P33A.html

: The surface of Venus with locations of major volcano sites
: http://www-atm.physics.ox.ac.uk/proj...venus-vol.html

: "Rehabilitating" VENUS as a Human Destination
: http://www.lunar-reclamation.org/pap...rehabpaper.htm

: Astrobiology: Venus (even our NASA know how to back paddle and to
: revise their past)
: http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/topics/venus.html

: Planetary Protection Study Group Mulls Life On Venus / By Leonard David
: http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...enus_life.html

: Unfortunately, as of 6+ years ago, I was just another box outsider
: looking to see what the heck was actually so interesting inside the big
: and supposedly all-knowing box, just doing my personal best thing of
: trying to make my two cents worth out of all that was being said about
: say/naysay our moon, about our NASA and of where the next generations
: of spendy and time consuming missions were headed as though our global
: energy resources, as well as time and of all the moneys upon Earth were
: unlimited.

: My first mistake related to Venus was obviously for having been the
: good-guy (aka nice messenger) that was being kind enough and 100% at my
: expense willing to share with our NASA, as to having offered my
: observationology(subjective interpretation) of what looked somewhat out
: of place (aka unnatural) about one specific location on Venus. I'd no
: idea that so much internal crapolla was going to hit the big-ass fan
: that was within that box, and their damage-control squad of clearly
: brown-nosed troops within their uplink.space.com naysay collective only
: added another butt-load of insult to injury. I guess it was all of
: that unexpected mainstream status quo flak that gave the green-light,
: indicating that at least my locomotive from my side of hell, that was
: hauling all of my lose cannons, was on a perfectly good set of tracks.
: -

Brad, none of those links indicates that life exists today on Venus, as
you claim. Only that life COULD have existed due to the fact that the
sun's energy was 25-40% less than it is today. The point is that Veuns a
billion years ago, according to the above links, was more like earth
today. And when making claims from a billion years ago, there is lots of
room for error.

Eric

: "If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
: -Brad Guth

: "To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
: -Stanislaus I

: "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
: but having new eyes."
: -Marcel Proust

: "Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
: action, not a thought."
: -F.W. Robertson
: ~

: Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond WAR is WAR, thus "in war
: there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very result of honest
: folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
: by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
: Bush).
: Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
: The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
: Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm