Martha Adams wrote:

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Harry Hope wrote:

The space agency has been working on a plan to return to the Moon, at
a cost of more than $100 billion, since 2005.


http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/21/stor...2155291500.htm

Jan 21, 2008

WASHINGTON: NASA is wrestling with a potentially dangerous problem in a
spacecraft, this time in a Moon rocket that has not even been built
yet.

Engineers are concerned that the rocket meant to replace the space
shuttle and send astronauts on their way to the Moon could shake
violently during the first few minutes of flight, possibly destroying
the entire vehicle.

“They know it’s a real problem,” said Carnegie Mellon University
engineering professor Paul Fischbeck, who has consulted on risk issues
with NASA in the past. “This thing is going to shake apart the whole
structure, and they’ve
got to solve it.”

If not corrected, the shaking would arise from the powerful first
stage of the Ares I rocket, which will lift the Orion crew capsule
into orbit.

NASA officials hope to have a plan for fixing the design as early as
March, and they do not expect it to delay the goal of returning
astronauts to the Moon by 2020.

The entire ESAS (Exploration Systems Architecture Studies) was a
fraud, pushed through by a bunch of prima donna astronauts, one of
which, Scott (Doc the Whore) Horowitz worked for ATK - Alliant
Techsystems, who ended up with a no bid contract for the solid rocket
booster Ares first stage.

Other players were Marsha (Psychotic Bitch) Ivins and Doug (Pony
Tailed Religious Freak) Stanley, a former Orbital Science engineer
(OSC of the $30,000 per kilogram to orbit solid rocket booster
launcher fame).

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/horowitz.html

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/...n_stanley.html

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/ivins.html

We all know who Michael (Chief Engineer of the Universe) Griffin is.

http://www.nasa.gov/about/highlights/griffin_bio.html

And of course, we have George W. (to the cosmos, and beyond!) Bush.

Notice Mr. Griffin also was heavily involved with Orbital Sciences.

Now, the Stick - Ares I. Anybody with any physics training at all
could easily see that the Ares I would fail, on basic physics
principles, and that the entire VSE (Vision for Space Exploration) was
George W. Bush's vanity space program. His daddy tried it (the SEI -
Space Exploration Initiative) and it failed miserably, fortunately
before they wasted billions of dollars and years of our valuable time
pursuing it.

However, at the time, nobody besides myself stood up to challenge this.

If you will recall, for two full years I ran an advanced Wordpress
AJAX blog (BLOB) with the sole purpose of challenging this idiotic
program :

http://cosmic.lifeform.org (offline)

I pounded on these people for two full years to no avail. However,
during this period, my working group (The Tsiolkovsky Group) also ran
our own launch vehicle architecture study, using a new release of the
Orbiter Space Flight Simulator as our physical simulation test bed. We
occasionally posted our results on the blog and on sci.space.policy so
that everyone could keep up with our work and follow it if they chose.

Then, in November of 2007, another round of COTS (Commercial Orbital
Transportation System) Solicitation was proposed, and we wrapped up
our study, and wrote a position paper, which we submitted as a proposal.

http://webpages.charter.net/tsiolkov...oposal/IPO.doc

During this time I also poked and prodded Keith Cowing with everything
I had, in order to attempt to get him to act on the information we
knew he had, but also to no avail. My understanding is that finally as
these issues became more widely known, AP filed a FOIA (Freedom of
Information Act) request, and Keith Cowing, reading the writing on the
walls after two full years, finally filed a PAO (Public Affairs
Office) request specifically citing the vibration issues, which should
have been obvious from the start. Now finally, this is in the news.
Two years too late.

So, almost three full years and countless billions of dollars have
been wasted on what is inarguably a dead end in space. Considering
that America is wasting billions a week on a dead end war, and
billions a day servicing an incredible debt, clearly this is really
just small change.

Just add it to the ever growing list of Bush administration scandals.

If we didn't absolutely need a viable space program to combat an ever
increasing environmental disaster I would never have bothered with this.

I'm getting back into condensed matter physics, the war is lost here.

If you want to follow this story, you can get the entire scoop here :

http://rocketsandsuch.blogspot.com

This guy is the real hero.

Do consider your balloon full now of hot air; your horn
more than adequately tootled. Now can you say *in plain
engineering English*, *what the problem is*? ?

Well, nothing actually, except tomorrow there is going to be a crash in
the US financial markets, and then an outright panic, when Americans
finally recognize that the emperor has no clothes on, is stark naked,
and everybody in the United States will be standing around in the
freezing cold, snow and rain with their pants down. Capiche?

The rocket is a minor side issue, I like the Delta IV Medium myself, and
I can think of lots of cool things to do with a Delta IV Medium upper
stage, so really I'm not too concerned that the Ares I is a failure.

However, if the Delta IV Medium is ok, the Delta V Heavy with an SSME on
the core stage going single stage to orbit in wet launch configuration,
and a pair of NK-33s on the recoverable booster stages is even better.

You see, it a liquid verses a solid thing. If ATK is going to build this
SRB thing, then somebody has to step up to the plate from the Boeing and
Pratt and Whitney / Rocketdyne side of the field and take a swing at it.

This is exactly what I will be proposing to the next administration.

Meanwhile, you have yet another year of the administration bringing you
tomorrow. I do hope that you enjoy your day tomorrow - DON'T PANIC!

It's just the end of the United States as you know it, courtesy of
George W. Bush, Michael Griffin and Conrad Lautenbacher and friends.

It just means being very cold and very hungry for a long while.