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Old June 1st 08, 04:45 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,soc.history.what-if,alt.astronomy,sci.geo.geology
BradGuth
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Default Earth w/o moon is also moon w/o South Pole-Aitken basin

On May 31, 9:09 pm, BradGuth wrote:
Earth w/o moon is also moon w/o South Pole-Aitken basin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole-Aitken_basin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aitken_clem_big.gif

Our moon’s South Pole-Aitken basin of 2500 km in diameter is currently
only 13 km deep (roughly 0.5%), offers a perfectly darn good example
of the relatively shallow nature of such a horrific impact, as most
likely moderated in depth due to the moon’s thick coating of surface
ice that existed prior to the lithobraking encounter with Earth.

Of several other largest of craters are those approximately 10% as
impressive, or roughly 200 km in diameter, and equally shallow.

Otherwise, if not having been protected by a thick layer of salty ice,
I suppose those unusually shallow and oldest of moon craters are due
to the unusually robust crust that is simply a whole lot thicker and
more density substantial than anything terrestrial.

In order to have produced the South Pole-Aitken basin of 2500 km by 13
km would also have required an impact with something of considerably
larger diameter, such as Earth or possibly Mars got in the way before
that moon arrived at encountering Earth.

Once again, a good supercomputer could have nicely simulated this type
of complex multiple encounter with such an icy proto-moon or icy
planetoid that was merging with our solar system after being red-giant
phase ejected away from the complex Sirius-A/B star/solar system that
had recently burned through 5x worth of solar mass upon converting
Sirius-B into that white dwarf (Sirius-A picking up one solar mass,
leaves 4x missing in action).

Of course, for all we know, Earth or at least Venus may also have been
deployed into orbiting Sol by way of that same analogy of the Sirius
star system having lost those 4x solar mass, thereby losing it’s tidal
radius grip on such planets and spare moons or planetoids.
. – Brad Guth


Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth was a topic about the alternative as to
how this planet obtained that terrific moon, as well as started the
last thaw from the very last ice age this planet w/moon is ever going
to see.

It’s also about what’s not depicted within those early cave paintings
that matters. Here’s a somewhat better worded introduction to this
topic.

The early or proto-modern human species, as of their surviving during
and obviously as of shortly after the very last ice-age this Earth w/
moon is ever going to see, as such were obviously extremely survival
intelligent folks, meaning much better off at their surviving within
that raw and often cold terrain than the vast majority of supposedly
highly educated and technology assisted as any modern clothed plus
well insulated and tool outfitted humans as of today could possibly
muster. As for these early humans having such raw intelligence for
their surviving, it seems they had often recorded in stone or via cave
paintings as to whatever was of keen interest, or simply taking proper
notice of whatever else was shock and awe worthy about their
extensively snow and icy covered era (especially if going by those
crystal clear nighttimes), that was thawing out and subsequently
flooding most everything in sight for the very last ice-age time.

However, apparently as of prior to 12,500 BP or even of somewhat more
recent times, there simply was not an era of artistic notations on
behalf of depicting anything moon like until some time after 12,500 BP
when humans had taken notice of significant ocean tidal issues, of
seasonal tilt variations worthy of their having to migrate, and of
otherwise absolutely nothing prior as having ever been recorded or
otherwise noted as to their environment having that terrifically
vibrant moon, as so often from time to time allowing them to see, hunt
and gather by winter night, as though nearly as crystal clear as by
day except without benefit of any heat influx, whereas you’d think
this would be worth some kind of record.

It’s almost as though Earth’s ice-age environment was always clouded
over, or that such humans were semi-blind as having been surviving
within a nearly monoseason w/o moon, whereas there simply are no such
graphic accountings as to any extended nighttime of winter, or of
those much shorter nighttimes of summer, much less of their ever
having noticed tidal issues or having that absolutely impressive
moonshine by night to better see and thus hunt, gather and survive by,
especially weird if knowing they’d have that vibrant moon to light
their way.

Seems if they were in fact survival smart enough and so good at having
depicted their local environment, as having recording anything that
truly mattered, whereas such you’d have to rethink as to why such
intelligent and highly survival skilled folks were so otherwise
entirely dumbfounded and/or oblivious, as to their having excluded any
mention of seasonal changes, ocean tides and of that terrifically big
old and extremely bright looking moon of ours, that which at winter/
ice-age times would have been unavoidably made to look extra bright by
way of the added 10+ points worth of Earth’s icy and snowy albedo.

What if a nearly monoseason Earth and of its somewhat elliptical orbit
about our passive sun simply didn’t have that moon as of prior to
12,500 BP? (wouldn’t Earth as a whole be a whole lot colder, unless a
second sun became available)

Why as of today are such public owned supercomputers and of their
highly capable simulations on behalf of running this alternative
interpretation of the best available science, as such being
continually made so off-limits, as though our best research technology
is forever sequestered or kept as taboo/nondisclosure rated?
. – Brad Guth