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Old September 11th 18, 11:57 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Stuf4
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Default Elliptical orbit question

I wrote:
From Jeff Findley:
In article ,
says...

What I don't understand is that the point where the satellite starts to
go faster than needed for that altitude happens before perigee. How
come it continues to drop even if it is going faster than needed to
remain in that orbital altitude?


Because it is not going faster IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. So it
continues to drop and gain speed until its velocity IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION is too high, at which point it starts going back up and
slowing down.


So what is magical about perigee that causes the satellite who is
already going way faster than necessary to finally stop losing
altitude/accelerating and starts to behave normally for a satellite that
is going faster than needed at that altitude? (gain altitude, lose speed)


Resolve the velocity into two components, one tangential to a circular
orbit and one normal to that. When your tangential velocity exceeds
orbital speed you start going back up.


This. You have to use vector math to analyze orbital mechanics, not
scalar math. For a two body problem, the motion is at least planar,
which reduces the complexity to a 2D vector math problem.


As was posted yesterday to this thread, it was offered that 2-body orbit
dynamics can be approximated by using a 1D spring-mass model. So that says
that vector math is *not necessary* in order to grasp the basics of what is
happening in circular and elliptical orbits.

And for the circular orbit case, the motion further reduces to Zero-
dimensions (0D). The satellite (or moon, planet, star, what have you) just
sits there absolutely still (in a rotating coordinate frame of reference).


My words above are yet again in error, for at least the third time here on this thread.

It was foolish of me to assert that just because there is no motion in that circular orbit case that it is reducible to zero dimension. There is still the orbit altitude. The distance is static, but it is still a distance.

Ok, I have clearly been jumping the gun repeatedly here in this thread and I will need to be a lot more careful before hitting 'post' in the future. My apologies to anyone who may have been misled by anything I've misstated here on this topic.

~ CT