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Old April 20th 13, 12:52 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Soviet Mars 3 lander found?

On Apr 20, 12:27*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:55*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:06*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 9c415da2-6e95-4a9c-8373-186f9d8cded5
@t5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com, says...


Tourism is a important industry, and while fake shuttles or fake
anything can be built the real thing is always better...


Not when "the real thing" would cost too much to recover, restore, or
maintain. *That's reality. *You're living in a fantasy world.


Here is current real world example that is not a spacecraft and would
seem to be easier to recover and restore than Snoopy:


The USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was the world's first nuclear-powered
aircraft carrier, and is therefore historically significant in that
rearguard. *The USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was officially inactivated
December 1, 2012. *Enterprise will eventually be decommissioned and will
then be *scrapped* once its nuclear reactors have been removed. *I'm
sure there are many people who feel this is a tragedy and would like to
see her converted into a museum.


But that is simply *not* practical given the requirement to remove the
nuclear reactors from her. *By the time enough of the ship has been
removed in order to take out the reactors, there just isn't going to be
much left.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ent...ecommissioning


http://www.enterprise.navy.mil/


From the above site, click on "Public Relations" (lower left side of
page) and then "Frequently Asked Questions" (near the top of the page).


Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer


In the case of enterprise the nuke fuel must be removed, and the ship
cut apart to remove the reactor and at least 2 sections one on either
side of the *reactor part because they will be a hazard and help as
shielding to the reactor part.


This would leave little to display


But snoopy is there for the taking. People laughed at me about saturn
engine recovery.Today they are on solid ground and being prepped for
display


Snoopy is *NOT* "there for the taking". *First you have to find it.
Then you have to mount a mission to return it intact. *That would cost
more than cleaning up the Enterprise.


Are you REALLY this stupid, Bobbert, or do you just need the attention
of people telling you you're an idiot?


its only a matter of time till snoopy is recovered, and lots of other
space artifacts too.


Really? *And why is that?



while were looking for asteroids snoopy will likely turn up, then its
just a matter of money to recover it.


You don't know what "likely" means, do you?



its just sad the apollo 11 LM upper stage wasnt put in heliospheric
orbit, now that would be better than the liberty bell.......


And cost many orders of magnitude more to recover, which means nobody
would bother.



hopefully I will live long enough to see snoopy recovered.......


Good luck with that. *Hopefully you will now STFU about it until it
happens.

--
"Ordinarily fred is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


if apollo 11s LM upper stage hadnt crashed into the moon, people today
would be planning on recovering it. at best some parts will be
recovered from its crash site on the moon. as far as I know it hasnt
been spotted yet.....