On Jan 19, 7:33 am, Tom Roberts wrote:

In math, a
proof is a systematic demonstration of a logical deduction from axioms to the
theorem being proved.

Yes. shrug

There is no analogous procedure in science.

Nonsense. In engineering, what you said previously is constantly
performed all the time. If not, engineers will be out of jobs.
Physicists, on the other hand, can babble about bull**** without any
consequences where in this case a bull**** is a claim that has not
been backed up by sound mathematics. shrug

In science an experiment probes some aspect of the world we inhabit. In math,
there is no corresponding concept, because EVERYTHING in mathematics is
imaginary (i.e. a concept that "exists" purely in human minds). An experiment is
a test; in mathematics, either the relationship stated in a theorem holds or
does not hold; there is no middle ground (but it may not be obvious to humans
which is the case).

It sounds like you are talking yourself in tossing mathematical
support of a physical hypothesis out of the window. Please stop
downgrade the importance of math in physics and in engineering as
well. Math ultimately rules in physics to support a claim and in
engineering as well. Without math, you only have philosophy where no
one can prove you right or wrong. You become the generation of flower
children. Smoking ganja? shrug

HUMANS speak the language of math, and apply it to the world. It is
REMARKABLE that this works so well, but nature is not at all constrained by the
math humans apply to her behavior.

Well, it is the jobs of engineers to model the world, within the
specification imposed and beyond for margins, with mathematics.
Anyone should expect the same standard to be applied to physicists.
Is that too much to ask? So, physicists are just too stupid to model
their world with sound mathematics, but engineers can. Again,
engineers’ jobs depend on it while physicists can bull**** their way
out of **** can without any rigorous mathematical proofs. It is no
wonder a physicist can be amazed by a well modeled of the world in
mathematics. What a fvcked up piece of so-called science that is.
How can anyone call himself or herself a physicist without any shame?
Oh, yes, the emperor’s clothes. shrug