On 20 Jun, 20:49, BradGuth wrote:

Don't try telling the rest of us village idiots that Zionist/Jews as
of before and during WWII were merely dumb and dumber fools, as well
as poor little insignificant heathens, then suddenly became ultra
wealthy, powerful and otherwise smart as all get out once connecting
up with us. The only significant faith-based group on Earth that has
essentially everything to lose and thereby nothing to gain from the
discovery of ETs, are those pesky Zionist/Jews of mostly Old Testament
thumpers, and they clearly have no intentions of going down without
causing a good fight, including an all out WWIII or putting the likes
of Christ back on a stick if need be.

The vast bulk of physics and subsequent science is so freaking Zionist
and thus all controlling, in that other interpretations of anything
doesn't really matter, because whatever's of alternative news, science
of deductive discoveries are simply going to get stalked, bashed and
other wise mainstream media banish in every possible Dirty Harry
"which way but lose". Not that a few other faith-based cults haven't
contributed their fair share of disinformation, and/or having enforced
as much evidence exclusion as possible.

Look science is independently checked by lots of people. No scientific
theory is EVER accepted just like that. science is accepted because it
adds up, makes sense.

In Jewish culture there is a great tradition of learring. If gentiles
want to be as well represented the remedy is obvious. They should
discipline themselves. Spend time studying, try to get to their
potential. The Palestinians should do this too. Thir greatest enemy is
their leaders.


Why then come at all? I KNOW that ET is not around on Earth. I don't
know wheher or not there is intelligent life on some distant planet
that has taken the conscious decision not to come. If we do a voyage
at c/2 it will take a moderate investment in resources. ET would have
to consider these resources worth while.

ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise
Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish.


Earth offers knowledge. This is what they would be after.

Well now. If ET wished to destroy us there are quite simple ways of so
doing. A biological weapon for example. ET clearly does not wish
either to destroy us on the one hand, or to make us less threatening
on the other. The disinformation on the Web clearly comes from
military/CIA based sources.

Why should ETs destroy the best entertainment in town (sort of speak),
and besides, we're not all as freaking dumb and dumber, or as nearly
mindset spastic as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).

Ave Caesar - Nos qui morituri te salutamus. That is an interesting
one! Earth being a gladitorial show.


c/10 would be fast enough for AI that would simply go into
hibernation.. The real question I think is simply this. ET is supposed
to take part in things like alien abduction and to fly around in
flying saucers. In fact you can get all the DNA evidence you want by
just taking a few skin samples. Most of your information is on the
Web.

The likes of Sirius isn't all that far away, and it's not always as
far off as it is right now. Venus is certainly close by, as in 100
fold the distance of our moon every 19 months, and upon Venus there's
no local shortage of renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
Therefore, space travel need not always be demanding of hibernation or
multi-generation habitats.



The other thing is the size of ET spacecraft. They have always been
posulated as man carrying. In fact ET will have developed molecular
information storage. Spacecraft will be the size of dragonflies.

I tend to agree, that micro spacecrafts plus whatever of "molecular
information storage" is quite doable, especially if such having
arrived via mother craft that's using anti-matter as fusion or simply
driven along by those nifty Ra--LRn--Rn--ion laser cannon thrusters
at c/2, whereas their mother craft could also be fully AI configured,
but also capable of accommodating a few live souls.

Those intelligent ETs capable of terraforming a given planet or moon,
as such may have moved on to wherever the grass is greener, although
mining the likes of Venus for a good many raw elements seems entirely
worth doing, especially if Venus were a billion years less old than
Earth. Unlike our physically dark and rather anticathode naked moon
of gamma and hard-Xrays, at least sustaining the likes of human DNA on
Venus is technically doable.
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Quite, buy you seem to be shifting your ground somewhat. If what you
are saying is that ET is aroung but has an independent existence, does
not interfere with what we are doing, it ceases to be a scientific
statement. It is not a scientific statement because it cannot be
verified. This is the problem I have with the whole idea,

Independent evolution of intelligent life - OK I believe it.
Possibility of interstellar travel - I believe it.
Actual visit - I have great difficulty with.

My problem with UFOs is compounded by the fact that the technology
possessed by aliens appears to mirror the preconceptions of the time.
If large spacecraft are impossible, if an obvious presence on the Web
has not been observed, where are we? It seems that there are faries at
the bottom of our garden but they run away whenever we approach them.
If ET travels in micro spacecrft and does not interact with us, this
is how it seems.

As far as sadistic elements are concerned, why does ET not simply
produce a virtual Colosseum, pit Rectarius against Sequtor and have a
few floggings and cruxifictions thrown in?

Is there an ulterior motive? I remember watching a television program
on a UFO over Phoenix. It was clearly a Stealth aircraft at a time
when these did not exist. The Pentagon provided a lifesize dummy of a
little green man to discredit the eyewitnesses.

There have been professional debunkers employed by the military.
Nobody before now has taken alien technology and thought about what it
might actually look like. This to be is the basis of the true debunk.


- Ian Parker