On Jun 20, 11:47 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 20 Jun, 15:57, BradGuth wrote:

We are looking at things like Google as a possible version of AI on
the Web. We are looking at the consequences which are quite literally
mind boggling. If I were to land on a planet going roung some distant
star and there was an Internet, the first thing I would do would be
put intelligence onto it and this intelligence would produce a
synopsis of all life for me.

To that I say again; Where is there not evidence?

There is plenty of evidence as to what Google is doing.

I see and/or experience ETs AI crapolla (mostly Zion based) just about
everywhere within this internet/usenet.

Why Zionist? I have never mentioned Isreal. The 2L I have posted has
mostly been Spanish - not Hebrew.

Don't try telling the rest of us village idiots that Zionist/Jews as
of before and during WWII were merely dumb and dumber fools, as well
as poor little insignificant heathens, then suddenly became ultra
wealthy, powerful and otherwise smart as all get out once connecting
up with us. The only significant faith-based group on Earth that has
essentially everything to lose and thereby nothing to gain from the
discovery of ETs, are those pesky Zionist/Jews of mostly Old Testament
thumpers, and they clearly have no intentions of going down without
causing a good fight, including an all out WWIII or putting the likes
of Christ back on a stick if need be.

The vast bulk of physics and subsequent science is so freaking Zionist
and thus all controlling, in that other interpretations of anything
doesn't really matter, because whatever's of alternative news, science
of deductive discoveries are simply going to get stalked, bashed and
other wise mainstream media banish in every possible Dirty Harry
"which way but lose". Not that a few other faith-based cults haven't
contributed their fair share of disinformation, and/or having enforced
as much evidence exclusion as possible.


We know that television appearances in effect selects the President.
If ET is embedded deeply into the Web he will be in a position to make
or break presidents. This is going to become more and more true in the
future when RSS feeds replace analogue television (Radio Reloj I
called it in the SETI discussions). We are replacing analogue
television at a rate of knots and if there is any truth in ET it means
that we are not masters of our destiny.

As I've said before; Why would any ET worth their salt need to bother
screwing with us, nor should they dare. Because we're clearly the
assholes, we're not supposed to do business with Cuba or a few other
nations. Go figure what ETs must have on their embargo (aka NO FLY)
list.

Why then come at all? I KNOW that ET is not around on Earth. I don't
know wheher or not there is intelligent life on some distant planet
that has taken the conscious decision not to come. If we do a voyage
at c/2 it will take a moderate investment in resources. ET would have
to consider these resources worth while.

ETs might stop by Earth for their R&R entertainment, as otherwise
Earth hasn't all that much to offer unless you had a death wish.


If he did make the trip he would want to maximise his returns. As for
a "no fly list". well I would have thought that if this were the case
ET would take steps to make us less threatening. AI on the Web would
be a very good way of doing this.

We're not all that much of a threat, as we can't even honestly walk on
our moon, much less upon another planet or of its moons. It would be
most important for keeping those other somewhat iffy ETs from sharing
too much of a good thing, much like us trying to keep nuclear energy
away from folks that could put such technology to good use, also
similar to keeping h2o2 as hocus-pocus rated as possible.


I don't know either why someone with a pseudonym of "American" seems
to think we have been visited regularly. This being the case all the
military hardware built up by the US is just so much junk. What will
be decisive for the world is the information we are presented with.
This will come from ET. ET will select what is in and not in our RSS
feeds.

And obviously you think we're as screwed up as we are because of
ourselves, with no off-world assistance whatsoever. When was the last
time we left a given nation alone, especially if there was the likes
of oil, yellowcake or some other spendy element to being had?

Besides, why on Earth would ETs have only the best of intentions?

Well now. If ET wished to destroy us there are quite simple ways of so
doing. A biological weapon for example. ET clearly does not wish
either to destroy us on the one hand, or to make us less threatening
on the other. The disinformation on the Web clearly comes from
military/CIA based sources.

Why should ETs destroy the best entertainment in town (sort of speak),
and besides, we're not all as freaking dumb and dumber, or as nearly
mindset spastic as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).


There is no evidence I can discern that the Web does contain AI, so
the above is academic. At least I hope it is! There is no evidence of
disinformation - at least not on the ET side. There is evidence of
disinformation from people who do not want to know the truth. This
does in fact make me cross. The people though are emphatically Terran.

A true naysayer/rusemaster is in denial from the get go. (it's sort of
MIB required)

If MIB Men in Black or Machines in Black.

The phrase I use "?Puerde leer en espagnol?" I think expresses this.
What would you expect from a message from ET? Well perhaps not little
green ET but a Web manifesation of AI. Well it would be multilingual.
It would be expressed in a number of languages in a slightly different
form.

Why would ETs bother to let on that they have existed, as here on
Earth or otherwise upon Venus or anywhere else we might possibly look?

Wouldn't most religions or faith-based morons (especially those fence
jumping Atheists) hunt them down and kill off such ETs without
remorse? (if history counts, of course they would)

Well no we could not track AI down. Dammit we find paedophilia
difficult enough. AI would hide in crevices, you would think a real
mperson had posted, but in fact no one would have done.

Look at what happened to Jesus Christ, and by his own kind none the
less. So, there is no limit as to what we'd do if knowing there was
an ET among us. If I were an ET, there's no freaking way in this
bigotry of hell on Earth that I'd share that knowledge. Besides, to
an interplanetary/interstellar trekking ET, what's so great about our
energy poor and otherwise 98.5% fluid Earth that's getting itself
global warmed and otherwise a little extra radiated by our salty old
anticathode moon anyway? (Earth is a wussy planet with more than it's
fair share of local problems)

BTW, c/2 seems iffy, although c/10 seems rather ET doable, as fast
enough.
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c/10 would be fast enough for AI that would simply go into
hibernation.. The real question I think is simply this. ET is supposed
to take part in things like alien abduction and to fly around in
flying saucers. In fact you can get all the DNA evidence you want by
just taking a few skin samples. Most of your information is on the
Web.

The likes of Sirius isn't all that far away, and it's not always as
far off as it is right now. Venus is certainly close by, as in 100
fold the distance of our moon every 19 months, and upon Venus there's
no local shortage of renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
Therefore, space travel need not always be demanding of hibernation or
multi-generation habitats.


The other thing is the size of ET spacecraft. They have always been
posulated as man carrying. In fact ET will have developed molecular
information storage. Spacecraft will be the size of dragonflies.

I tend to agree, that micro spacecrafts plus whatever of "molecular
information storage" is quite doable, especially if such having
arrived via mother craft that's using anti-matter as fusion or simply
driven along by those nifty Ra--LRn--Rn--ion laser cannon thrusters
at c/2, whereas their mother craft could also be fully AI configured,
but also capable of accommodating a few live souls.

Those intelligent ETs capable of terraforming a given planet or moon,
as such may have moved on to wherever the grass is greener, although
mining the likes of Venus for a good many raw elements seems entirely
worth doing, especially if Venus were a billion years less old than
Earth. Unlike our physically dark and rather anticathode naked moon
of gamma and hard-Xrays, at least sustaining the likes of human DNA on
Venus is technically doable.
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Brad Guth