On Apr 8, 5:24*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 8, 1:32*pm, "Alan Erskine" wrote:



wrote in message news:63786a62-815f-4529-93cc-

* a) had the USA not pushed South Korean rocket development North

Korea would not make it such a high priority.

Bull. *They're not aimed at SK; they have enough range to get a third of the
way around the world.

You're not making any sense. You are speakng as if the two sentences
are related somehow. Obviously ANY space capable system is also
capable of hitting targets anywhere on Earth.

Any orbital system is capable of sending payloads anywhere on Earth.
That's the point. That's why WE developed space capability, that's
why the Russians developed space capability, that's why the Chinese
developed space capability - and that's why we should never have
pushed the South Korea to develop their own space launcher.

My point still stands. HAD THE USA NOT PUSHED THE SOUTH TO DEVELOP
THEIR OWN ROCKETS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD CHINESE SUPPORT IN PUTTING
PRESSURE ON THE NORTH TO END THEIR PROGRAM.

You keep ignoring this obvious point.


b) had the USA not pushed South Korean rocket development, China
would have helped us put pressure on North Korea to end its program

In what way did the USA "push" SK towards rocket development?

South Korea first gained experience with missiles provided by the
United States.

http://www.astronautix.com/country/korsouth.htm

KARI began in 1990 to develop its own rockets. It produced the KSR-I
and KSR-II, one and two-stage rockets in the early 1990s.

In December 1997 it began development of a LOX/kerosene rocket engine.
KARI wished to develop satellite launch capability. A test launch of
the KSR-III took place in 2002.

c) had the USA worked more openly with nations to help them orbit
payloads, there would be less incentive to develop their own launchers
- as all space faring nations cooperate to end missile proliferation.

The US does help nations orbit payloads. *Openly. *For that matter, why
doesn't NK use Chinese LVs to launch their satellites?

BECAUSE THE USA IS HELPING SK BUILD ITS OWN LAUNCHER IF THE USA ENDED
THAT PROGRAM THEN CHINA WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON NK TO DO THE SAME.

South Korea turned to Russia to develop its own launcher. *South Korea
decided to speed up development by joining with Russia, and
cooperation began in 2004.
KARI is now developing the Korea Space Launch Vehicle, whose first-
stage is based on the Angara rocket. First launch of the KSLV is
expected in 2009.

Says who? *Cites?

I gave you citations... above

here are more

http://www.kari.re.kr/english/
http://www.kslv.or.kr/

It really helps if you actually read up on a thing before talking
about it.



A deal was also struck on October 24, 2005 to send a Korean into space
aboard a Russian Soyuz spaceflight.
Through the Korean Astronaut Program, Russia has trained two South
Koreans and has sent one (Yi So-yeon) to the International Space
Station in 2008.

That's a long way from developing missile technology.

Duh! That' the pont Alan! The US was pushing to develop an
independent launch capability - which threatens the Chinese and the
North - and so the Chinese help the North devlop their own
capabilities. sheez. The Russians stepped in and did in the South
what WE should have done - but then WE stepped in and helped them with
their first stage engine. Can we really expect the Chinese to back
down at something like that? Hell no.

This whole thing is engineered by the DOD to build support for SDI.
They figure if the banks and the stimulus package are going to be $1
trillion each - they want to get their digs in with a trillion dollar
missile defense system too! That's all this is about - and that's
why we're being such ****s